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Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Ignorance is bliss, eh buddy?

Just gonna ignore the US-UK backed coup in the 50s that wrecked any chance of democracy in Iran. Ignore 25 years of supporting a dictatorship after that, pushing the Iranian people into the arms of Khomeini. Ignore that we backed and armed Saddam’s Iraq to attack Iran throughout the 80s, a war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians. Allowing Iraq to get away with using chemical and nerve agents in that war. Etc etc.
Your post has nothing to do with Patraeus.

Aside from the bliss part, was that a question?
 

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Hypocrisy. The whole world should have invaded the US when they had Bush, Obama and Trump, to save them from the tyranny. Imagine what would have happened if countries wanted to build military base around their country LOL, yet when they do it it's totally normal & on a high moral grounds.
We already know what happens when governments unfriendly to the US come to power in its geopolitical sphere. Look at Cuba and Castro. Again, an overthrow of a brutal American sponsored dictator, the US leads a failed invasion, and then spends the next 5 decades isolating and economically strangling Cuba. Or the CIA’s regime-changing all over Central America in the same period.

But ‘Murica, fuck yeah!

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Your post has nothing to do with Patraeus.

Aside from the bliss part, was that a question?
Just poking fun at you. The article is very well-written and reasoned, even if it makes some uncomfortable to read it. So quitting reading because you read something partway into it you disagree with is silly imo.

I will say that in general, at least in the recent past, America has been fighting wars against brutal regimes (not always the case in the 50s-80s with their meddling). So I do think there is quite a moral and ethical quandary as to how to deal with these regimes when they go too far, but then there is also a massive hypocrisy from America in turning a blind eye to the actions of brutal regimes that are USA friendly, and also in the fact that they helped create the circumstance for many of the current enemies of America to come to power.
 
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Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Doesn't make me uncomfortable to read. I simply lost respect for the author for the comparison, which was silly. At least I got half way thru it :p

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In any case, I'd love nothing more than to pull out completely from the Middle East and let them do what they have been doing for centuries and we can go on our merry way. Would rather we use that money here at home. At this point, shutting down a base is viewed at the Pentagon as giving ground to another country, say Russia/China, which obviously the gov doesn't want to allow.

You can bet your sweet titties Uncle Sam isn't going to close up shop over there any time soon. The way the world has always worked, empires collapse when they become too big & unsustainable. Unless we plan on that happening here, we should probably look at bring people back home.

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We have the technology to strike anywhere at anytime, no reason for us to have military bases there anymore. Times are different than 50s thru the 80s.

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Off topic but wayyyyyyyy on topic too:

Man..what a time to be alive :lol:

https://www.axios.com/2024-election-polls-republicans-60f37160-a4fb-48e6-b054-22bd303604a6.html
 
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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Doesn't make me uncomfortable to read. I simply lost respect for the author for the comparison, which was silly. At least I got half way thru it :p

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In any case, I'd love nothing more than to pull out completely from the Middle East and let them do what they have been doing for centuries and we can go on our merry way. Would rather we use that money here at home. At this point, shutting down a base is viewed at the Pentagon as giving ground to another country, say Russia/China, which obviously the gov doesn't want to allow.

You can bet your sweet titties Uncle Sam isn't going to close up shop over there any time soon. The way the world has always worked, empires collapse when they become too big & unsustainable. Unless we plan on that happening here, we should probably look at bring people back home.

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We have the technology to strike anywhere at anytime, no reason for us to have military bases there anymore. Times are different than 50s thru the 80s.

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Off topic but wayyyyyyyy on topic too:

Man..what a time to be alive :lol:

https://www.axios.com/2024-election-polls-republicans-60f37160-a4fb-48e6-b054-22bd303604a6.html
Are you familiar with the Nuremberg trials?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Well, then, maybe they shouldn’t target US civilians? Just a hunch...

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It could also be that they have intel on potential retaliatory strikes by sleeper cell groups on US interests, so it could be a matter of deterrence.

I spoke with a friend in the Air Force stationed in UAE, and he says they are gearing up for war. Just fuckin’ great.
 
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GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Well, then, maybe they shouldn’t target US civilians? Just a hunch...

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It could also be that they have intel on potential retaliatory strikes by sleeper cell groups on US interests, so it could be a matter of deterrence.

I spoke with a friend in the Air Force stationed in UAE, and he says they are gearing up for war. Just fuckin’ great.
Contractor in iraq is at worst cia at best merc
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Well, then, maybe they shouldn’t target US civilians? Just a hunch...

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It could also be that they have intel on potential retaliatory strikes by sleeper cell groups on US interests, so it could be a matter of deterrence.

I spoke with a friend in the Air Force stationed in UAE, and he says they are gearing up for war. Just fuckin’ great.
Yeah, cuz ‘Murica isn’t over there occupying a foreign nation after an illegal invasion under the last Republican President, in which hundreds of thousands of civilians died.

But, man, they killed a civilian contractor in that occupied country. Those evil evil foreigners.

Trump and his Republican cronies sure showed a lot of outrage when the Saudis lured a Washington Post reporter into their embassy in Turkey, then tortured, killed, dismembered, and got rid of his corpse. Oh wait, they defended the Saudis and continued to supply arms for the Saudis to commit atrocities in Yemen. :baus:

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-arabia-war-yemen-escalate-2020/263856/

But it’s super cool that Trump vetoed a congressional measure withdrawing support of Saudi Arabia’s 5 year invasion of Yemen, causing one of the worst famines in a century with millions of Yemenis starving.
 
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Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Well, then, maybe they shouldn’t target US civilians? Just a hunch...

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It could also be that they have intel on potential retaliatory strikes by sleeper cell groups on US interests, so it could be a matter of deterrence.

I spoke with a friend in the Air Force stationed in UAE, and he says they are gearing up for war. Just fuckin’ great.
I know for a fact this is true, what the attacks were and where they were going to be. I mentioned the other day it would have violated more international law than the drone strike did. Per your USAF friend, pretty much. Doesn't mean it will be, but the US forces in the entire region are ready. The intel is there, whether or not Iran follows through with the reports is another story that remains to be soon how it unfolds.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,291
Yeah, cuz ‘Murica isn’t over there occupying a foreign nation after an illegal invasion under the last Republican President, in which hundreds of thousands of civilians died.

But, man, they killed a civilian contractor in that occupied country. Those evil evil foreigners.

Trump and his Republican cronies sure showed a lot of outrage when the Saudis lured a Washington Post reporter into their embassy in Turkey, then tortured, killed, dismembered, and got rid of his corpse. Oh wait, they defended the Saudis and continued to supply arms for the Saudis to commit atrocities in Yemen. :baus:

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-arabia-war-yemen-escalate-2020/263856/

But it’s super cool that Trump vetoed a congressional measure withdrawing support of Saudi Arabia’s 5 year invasion of Yemen, causing one of the worst famines in a century with millions of Yemenis starving.
That's the traitorous Republicans for you. But Obama did basically all the same stuff with Yemen and elsewhere. It's all a complete and total disaster.

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Contractor in iraq is at worst cia at best merc
Indeed, but I also meant elsewhere, not just those folks in Iraq.
 

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