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[Bjerknes]

Are you kidding? The Balkan states almost entirely love Clinton lol.

You could say Rwanda and Somalia. Although according to your philosophy Clinton did the right thing by not getting involved in Rwanda

So because Bin Laden planned 9/11 while Clinton was president, an attack that happened almost a year after he was out of office, that the Bush admin was warned about repeatedly, it’s his fault? I guess we blaming Trump for every terror attack that happened under him and under Biden now. Or does this only count when Democrat in office? Lol I thought you constantly bash the war on terror overseas, but now you are saying Clinton should have begun it. At least be consistent lol

Clinton stayed out of getting the US involved in long term wars overseas. And the one he did get involved in, the Balkans, was just an aerial bombardment that wasn’t protracted and long drawn out, and is widely considered a success to this day. Lol

lol lol lol

Clinton had opportunities to take out OBL, which apparently he didn't. lol. If you believe that OBL was solely responsible for all those terror attacks, including 9/11, then that is a massive failure -- considering we're still paying quite a high cost for this shit, to this day lol. But I actually think you're right and Clinton didn't want to take out OBL, because you know, lol.

 

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[Post Ironic]

Clinton’s response to AlQaeda bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania was inadequate though. He ordered bombing of a Sudanese pharmaceutical plant.

Of course it was. His admin definitely made some mistakes but also for the most part stayed out of escalating and getting into any endless conflicts.

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lol lol lol

Clinton had opportunities to take out OBL, which apparently he didn't. lol. If you believe that OBL was solely responsible for all those terror attacks, including 9/11, then that is a massive failure -- considering we're still paying quite a high cost for this shit, to this day lol. But I actually think you're right and Clinton didn't want to take out OBL, because you know, lol.

Trump hero, Clinton devil. We get it.

 

[Bjerknes]

Just imagine how swole and scary the Taliban are going to be in another year.

 

[JuveJay]

I did enjoy reading a newspaper post from some old dear over here who said the US should just carpet bomb the Taliban now they were out in the open, before they crawl back to their caves. Old people

 

[JuveJay]

Just imagine how swole and scary the Taliban are going to be in another year.

It looks like my gym on January 2nd every year.

 

[Post Ironic]

I did enjoy reading a newspaper post from some old dear over here who said the US should just carpet bomb the Taliban now they were out in the open, before they crawl back to their caves. Old people

Good Ol’ Nam strategy. Bomb’em back into the Stone Age.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I did enjoy reading a newspaper post from some old dear over here who said the US should just carpet bomb the Taliban now they were out in the open, before they crawl back to their caves. Old people

You laugh, but perhaps that was the plan all along.

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Just imagine how swole and scary the Taliban are going to be in another year.

This reminds me so much of

 

[JuveJay]

Ol' Joe against Taliban leader Muhamed Notbinshavin, celebrity deathmatch.

 

[Enron]

Good Ol’ Nam strategy. Bomb’em back into the Stone Age.

“Back” lol

 

[Post Ironic]

“Back” lol

Yeah, should have said “forward”

 

[Elvin]

Why would they demand something they already have?

Fine, let it be the right to hear loud prayer calls from mosques, whatever the fuck they will find themselves missing there in the West.

 

[Post Ironic]

@Ronn did you see Lauren Boebert’s tweet?


This from one of only 16 house members to vote against expanding Visa program to help more Afghan allies escape Taliban. Lol

 

[Ronn]

@Ronn did you see Lauren Boebert’s tweet?


This from one of only 16 house members to vote against expanding Visa program to help more Afghan allies escape Taliban. Lol

That’s a fail in so many levels

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Open a history book.


Iran, 1953, Mohammed Mossadeqh (Killed Irans new democracy in 4 days, for oil)

Premier Minister of Kongo, Patrice Lumumba. Ngo Dinh Diem president of South Vietnam, Sukarno Indonesia president. All of them in the 1960s alone.

1973, Salvadore Allende, Chile. Could go on.


All of them assassinated or overthrown by the US (and shortly killed after the coups). All of them elected in fledging democracies. The US preferred murderous dictators instead.

My brother, thank you for disposing of the ignorance in this thread. Mossadegh was a great man who had widespread admiration among Iranians and the people of neighboring countries. And is important to note that Mossadegh was overthrown largely through Western collaboration with Islamist/Clergy elements within Iran. Ayatollah Kashani was essentially the Ayatollah Khomeini of his time and served as the chief Western collaborator in Mossadegh's removal.

 

[Enron]

@Ronn did you see Lauren Boebert’s tweet?


This from one of only 16 house members to vote against expanding Visa program to help more Afghan allies escape Taliban. Lol

Y’all Qaeda is official.

 

[Alex-444]

 

[Ronn]

My brother, thank you for disposing of the ignorance in this thread. Mossadegh was a great man who had widespread admiration among Iranians and the people of neighboring countries. And is important to note that Mossadegh was overthrown largely through Western collaboration with Islamist/Clergy elements within Iran. Ayatollah Kashani was essentially the Ayatollah Khomeini of his time and served as the chief Western collaborator in Mossadegh's removal.

Solid knowledge of modern Iranian history Kashani was indeed the backstabber

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Attributing the unfortunate Taliban capture of Afghanistan to Western tropes regarding the presumed inherent backwardness of Afghan culture or Islam is just an ill informed analysis of the conflict in Afghanistan. This interpretation of events entirely neglects the role of foreigners in undermining the political standing and cultural mindset of Afghans. In order to truly understand the conflict at hand, it's important to return to the roots of the problem and the rise of Islamism within Afghanistan in the 20th century. I'll try to shine some light on that topic in this post.

The West's love affair with radical Islamism within Afghanistan goes back to the 1920's. In this period, Britain collaborated with the Afghan clergy in removing King Amanullah Khan, who preserved Afghanistan's independence against the British and implemented Western inspired modernizing reforms for the country.

US' support for fundamentalists and Islamists as a weapon against modernists within Afghanistan goes back to atleast the early 70's. This support was primarily channeled through Pakistan and Iran, towards adherents to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's ideology. Such individuals were supported in order to undermine the government of Afghan president Daoud Khan. Daoud Khan was a patriotic modernist, who faced hostility from the West due to his friendly relations with the Soviet Union and his ambitions of reuniting with ethnic Afghan lands which were under British/Pakistani occupation. The Islamist leaders of this period would stage failed coup attempts against the Afghan government in 1973, 74 and 75. The radical Islamist leadership would remain as defeated political refugees in Pakistan, until the Communist revolution.

The US and Pakistan would go on to elevate the Islamist figures as faces of the so-called "Jihad" against the Communists and Soviets. Islamist leaders received billions in aid, an endless stream of lionizing propaganda and refugee indoctrinating schools (madrassahs) which would supply them with what were essentially thousands of radicalized zombie soldiers. The madrassahs would pave the way for the Taliban (literal meaning being "students") to be formed by Pakistani intelligence and bring us to our current situation.

For reference, I will share some snippets from preeminent sources on the Afghan conflict and individuals involved to help paint a clearer picture:

^From "Out of Afghanistan," by Selig Harrison and Diego Cortovez. This is by far and away the most authoritative source on the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan.

^New York Times interview with the Pakistani Interior Minister who was put in charge of cultivating Islamist leaders in 1974. These same leaders would serve as the face of the so called "Jihad" against the Soviet Union in the 80's.

^From: "Devil's Game, How The US Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam"

^From "Invisible History: Afghanistan's Untold Story," by Paul Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Gould.

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*Disclaimer*

The intention of the previous post was not to attribute all blame for Afghanistan's conflict and misfortune at the feet of the West. At the end of the day every country is meant to look out for it's own strategic interests and it is the fault of Afghans for not doing so ourselves.

 

[JuelzSantana]

The intention of the previous post was not to attribute all blame for Afghanistan's conflict and misfortune at the feet of the West. At the end of the day every country is meant to look out for it's own strategic interests and it is the fault of Afghans for not doing so ourselves.

Now that Taliban are in control, how long do you think they will stay in power and what will it take for them to be removed?

Are there counter-movements in Afghanistan with potential to grow and offset them in the future?

 

[DAiDEViL]

Now that Taliban are in control, how long do you think they will stay in power and what will it take for them to be removed?

Are there counter-movements in Afghanistan with potential to grow and offset them in the future?

Far from an expert, but my guess would be for a long time. No country is going to send their army back there anymore.