Geert Wilders (7 Viewers)

[Trezegol17]

When Wilders makes that stupid movie which has no goal but teasing more than one billion people and he is considered a hero in Holland, is that freedom of speech?

He made many mistakes in that movie, mostly the one with Mohammed B, the assasin of Theo van Gogh, he placed a pic of Sal a edin the rapper. And yes he did not insult anyone in that movie of his if you can call it a movie because it's more propaganda, the thing is Rebel when one of the highest Iman said on television we must take our swords and slit the throats of the jew swines then freedom of speech goes to far, and yes that really happend. Did you saw any jew sue him?

He got only 15,4% of the votes in the 2010 elections (2 years after his movie), so it's clear that he's not the most popular among the majority

He was a 1 man party that time he moved away from a different party called the VVD who are now the biggest in Holland.

Dutch people disagree with you. He is their best face, it seems

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-course-to-be-next-Dutch-prime-minister.html

Alot happend in 2 years, like last week our minister of intergration said that the intergration as a whole failed.

Indeed, Reb, his is what I mean, he reached 1/7th of the voting population with his movie, and since you'e free to vote in Holland, this isn't even 1/87the of the entire population.
The impact of his movie is long forgotten, I don't think that half the persons that voted for him voted against immigrants in Holland, they voted for change because with Balkenende, the political landscape in Holland was a joke.

You know we go by zetels right Ches? Wilders started from 0 zetels en got 23 atm and for a 1 man party ( yes he decides everything) thats alot, so this means there should be some radical changes in my country and not only with the muslim problem since that in fact is a really small problem overhere.

This guy is just another Zionist clown, it's the people behind him whom Im worried about.

Don't worry i will stay the same

I understand that, but when he becomes the prime minister, his opinions will represent the whole country, not just 15%. No?

We dont work that way, one party can't be the boss here. So our PM still needs approval of out politicians( called de 2ekamer) You know that is called democracy. Here 51% of the goverment have to approve anything before it gets decided. From the 76 people who are sitting in our goverment, more then half has to approve any motions any party makes.

I hope Pat won't take it against me, but I too hope this man doesn't become a PM.
I know nothing about the problems the Dutch people experience and I shouldn't interfere in their business, but if it's up to me men like this guy shouldn't lead countries.

Then again, you have many politicians who'll play any card needed just to win the elections and then they act differently. Wilders could change completely if he gets the power, but imo it's better not to take any risks with him.

M8 ,don't worry he will never become prime minister. I hold nothing at you His party isn't big enough but all the votes he got is a sign that we should stop doing what we are doing now and that is destroying our country with all the taxes, all the shooting on the streets, all the free donations to charity( we actually give the highest percentage in Europe) Stop giving everybody who doesn't want to work money.Sending money to Greece while many people are getting poor by the high taxes ect. Really he got alot of votes because people are sick for the soft approach our goverment handles things. In most countries if you steal something, they kick your ass or ut you in jail. Here the cops can only say don't do it again and they will give you a warning. And as long as we got people here who vote for an Animal party we will never be an extreme right country.

No, you become prime minister in our countries if you are the leader of the political party with the most votes and you manage to assemble a governement that has more then 50% off all votes.
I think that the highest parties in our countries have about 30-35% of the votes
And as I said, in Holland you are free to go and vote, and mostly, the numbers of voters there are 70-75% of all people with voting rights so it isn't even the entire population.
In 2010, Wilders got 1.376.938 votes, that isn't even 1/10 of the entire Dutch population.

Again, his fraction is small compare to the 30 members ourt other parties have. So over 1million votes is actually alot.

Oh and Rebel, i don't hate Muslims or the Islam at all, but the thing with Wilders is he say some stupid things i agree but all the good things he says won't reach the media. When you say Wilders everybody thinks about his march against the Islam but his party has many other points who are valid for my country and like you and everybody else you want the best for your country.

 

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[IrishZebra]

Good Ideas don't negate hate speech. He's as bad as Hamas or Khomeni with his ignorant antagonistic propaganda.

Another fine example of what happens when you try and infuse politics with a religious ethos. One of very few things that France has gotten right is their staunch un-yeilding secularism.

 

[Trequartista]

Good Ideas don't negate hate speech. He's as bad as Hamas or Khomeni with his ignorant antagonistic propaganda.

Another fine example of what happens when you try and infuse politics with a religious ethos. One of very few things that France has gotten right is their staunch un-yeilding secularism.

This is an unfair comparison since Geert Wilders does not call for the murder of anyone while Hamas calls for the extermination of the Jews(Kohmeni did too, but not as explicitly).

Geert Wilders is a polarizing figure who certainly goes too far in his ideas but he does raise some relevant points, which are overshadowed by his crazy ones.

 

[chester]

You know we go by zetels right Ches? Wilders started from 0 zetels en got 23 atm and for a 1 man party ( yes he decides everything) thats alot, so this means there should be some radical changes in my country and not only with the muslim problem since that in fact is a really small problem overhere.



Again, his fraction is small compare to the 30 members ourt other parties have. So over 1million votes is actually alot.

Oh and Rebel, i don't hate Muslims or the Islam at all, but the thing with Wilders is he say some stupid things i agree but all the good things he says won't reach the media. When you say Wilders everybody thinks about his march against the Islam but his party has many other points who are valid for my country and like you and everybody else you want the best for your country.

I know yes, but hey, he didn't even get the most votes from all of the politicans, Rutte and someone else were still in front of him, are they also a one man party then?

 

[IrishZebra]

A zealot is a zealot, just because ones virulence is tempered by civilisation doesn't make him less horrible.

Khomeni and Hamas can say what they wan't because they are above the law. Bigots hate, not to degrees, but wholly and fully out of a learned ignorance.

Wilders,Khomeni,Ian Paisley. They're all the same.


Although funnily enough I support a ban on religious dress in public.

 

[Fred]

Jews get about as much criticism as Muslims. And, believe it or not, both "sides" get mostly the same types of criticism.




Insulted day & night? That's a good one.

That's like me saying I get insulted day & night as well.
Which I actually am, if I set foot in certain parts of Belgium. Which I also am if I choose to listen to certain groups of people.




He's definitely not a random idiot.

And yes, a lot of people agree (in part) with him. Living here, I know why a lot of people agree with some of what he is saying.




Why are Western countries being attacked for having opposing views? Man's desire to conquer the world, I guess.

I think i'll choose not to believe it, since you can get jailed for denying the holocaust Belgium.

If I answer this question, I'll be considered a racist

In all honesty, the latest numbers I saw concerning crime pointed towards the Arab communities. Because of various socio- economic reasons obviously.
A, potentially, much bigger problem however is situated in the Jewish community. In terms of disregarding the law, altering educational material, avoiding every type of contact (physical or otherwise) with non- Jews, ... I actually couldn't believe most of this stuff when I was first made aware of it.




That's it. You offended me. One death threat coming up.

The problem is, you have the wrong type of Arabs in Belgium. North Africans are generally known for being troublemakers, especially the francophone countries.

The holocaust absolutely cannot be exaggerated as it pretty much was the lowest point of human history, when the industrialization of the process of killing for an ideology influenced by eugenics was achieved.

It is true that the holocaust is wrongly used to justify actions perpetrated by the Israeli government but that doesn't mean that it was exaggerated.

Oh and Zionism is a 19th century concept that has already been achieved, it would be preferable if you used the terms "Israeli government and it's allies".

On Iraq, well I don't approve of the American government's main pretext to invade the country but I believe that it was in their duty to remove Saddam and the Ba'ath party from power since they were the one who decided to leave Saddam in office after the Gulf War.

They created the mess, it was their responsibility to clean it up.

Ya, except they did absolutely opposite to that. They created an even bigger mess. They created an Iraq with absolutely no security. They say they're bringing democracy, yet the protesters who protested against the government a couple of months ago were beaten and jailed. Sectarian tensions are at an all time high, we never used to hear of explosions every week in Shiite and Sunni mosques during Saddam's time. The current government are a bunch of crooks and thieves, Maleky being the biggest thief of them all.

Sorry, it was a Freudian slip. I usually consider the entire EU as Belgium.



This is always the excuse given. How many death threats did that Cartoonist receive? Thousands?

In that case, the reasoning behind the violence is totally due to the religion itself.



Easy:

The Holocaust never happened. Hitler loved the Jews.

See, that's pretty simple. Now if someone is angry I said that, too bad. Sulk it up. Don't be a Muslim.

Good for you, you're not in Belgium. You'd be in jail by now

 

[IrishZebra]

There can never be peace and democracy in countries that were arbitrarily made up by colonial powers ignoring ethnic and tribal tensions, Afghanistan and Iraq my tits.

 

[Trequartista]

Ya, except they did absolutely opposite to that. They created an even bigger mess. They created an Iraq with absolutely no security. They say they're bringing democracy, yet the protesters who protested against the government a couple of months ago were beaten and jailed. Sectarian tensions are at an all time high, we never used to hear of explosions every week in Shiite and Sunni mosques during Saddam's time. The current government are a bunch of crooks and thieves, Maleky being the biggest thief of them all.

I fail to see how it is a biggest mess than Saddam's Iraq which saw the extermination of hundreds of thousands Kurds and Shi'ites, with mass graves upon mass graves.

 

[IrishZebra]

They also created Saddam's Iraq

 

[JBF]

For the record Hamas, since they became a political force in Palestine (not when they were still a military focused one), they never addressed 'jews' but rather zionists in their speeches and papers.

 

[Trequartista]

They also created Saddam's Iraq

Created no, but they definitely should have removed him from power after the Gulf War.

 

[Trequartista]

For the record Hamas, since they became a political force in Palestine (not when they were still a military focused one), they never addressed 'jews' but rather zionists in their speeches and papers.

You should read their charter.

 

[Fred]

There can never be peace and democracy in countries that were arbitrarily made up by colonial powers ignoring ethnic and tribal tensions, Afghanistan and Iraq my tits.

I completely agree.

I fail to see how it is a biggest mess than Saddam's Iraq which saw the extermination of hundreds of thousands Kurds and Shi'ites, with mass graves upon mass graves.

I hate making this comparison because i think Saddam is a terrible man, but at least during Saddam's days you know nothing will happen to you if you don't say anything against the regime Now you could get killed just for being a Sunni or Shiite. As for the idea that Saddam had something against Shiites or Kurdi's, that is absolutely not true. Saddam did not care about religions, sects or anything. But if you were a threat to him staying in power, or if you were a threat to his authority, he wouldn't mind killing you, your family and anyone that is close to you. Its just that Shiites and Kurdi's were more likely to be against Saddam than Sunni's were.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Created no, but they definitely should have removed him from power after the Gulf War.

How so? Assassination, pleading, sanctions?

And then what next? Something like that is easy to say when you don't have to plan it.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I completely agree.



I hate making this comparison because i think Saddam is a terrible man, but at least during Saddam's days you know nothing will happen to you if you don't say anything against the regime Now you could get killed just for being a Sunni or Shiite. As for the idea that Saddam had something against Shiites or Kurdi's, that is absolutely not true. Saddam did not care about religions, sects or anything. But if you were a threat to him staying in power, or if you were a threat to his authority, he wouldn't mind killing you, your family and anyone that is close to you. Its just that Shiites and Kurdi's were more likely to be against Saddam than Sunni's were.

As long as you're not a woman or a professional athlete too.

 

[Fred]

You should read their charter.

You care too much about rhetoric. Maybe its just me, but in my humble opinion, actions are more important.

 

[IrishZebra]

Created no, but they definitely should have removed him from power after the Gulf War.

They funded the Ba'athist Coup in 1963 that is a verifiable fact.

It was 100% a U.S. coup.

 

[Fake Melo]

Created no, but they definitely should have removed him from power after the Gulf War.

Who the fuck are they to remove him?

Mass-raping of both men and women used to happen in Saddam's time. Torture of prisoners.

What did Bush say when they invaded Iraq? "People of Iraq will no longer be tortured".

What is happening in Iraqi jails? Exactly what happend during Saddam's time.

 

[Trequartista]

How so? Assassination, pleading, sanctions?

And then what next? Something like that is easy to say when you don't have to plan it.

Trial for crimes against humanity, much like they did to Milosevic.

 

[Fred]

As long as you're not a woman or a professional athlete too.

Those were his sons