Geert Wilders (6 Viewers)

[Martin]

That's what I'm against as well but you and Seven are bashing the neutrality as well. Neutrality, as in "You're part here, part here and part here, depending on where you've lived in your life." So there's actually 2 subjects here. One is the country you're living in doesn't give you the nationality to be from "there", and Two, the individual which states his country of origin is his truest and not the countries he's lived in before. I've pretty much encountered both of them, thanks to living in the UAE, and being part of a diaspora after 1915.

Huh? Explain please.

 

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[icemaη]

Eddy! Long time no see mate...

 

[Eddy]

Huh? Explain please.

We are already against this one obviously.
The country you're living in doesn't give you the nationality to be from "there"

Simply put, the logic of you being from wherever you live, it doesn't work in this part of the world. We still have that nationalistic feeling where you feel attached to your original homeland for all your life. Plus, in this region you could live all your life in the UAE be born and raised here, know no other country, and still you won't ever get the nationality. One could argue that with the demographics here, and with their special circumstances, they do kind of have a point.

And this the neutrality I meant.
The individual which states his country of origin is his truest and not the countries he's lived in before.

I can't be Scottish i left that country when i was 8, i barely remember the country, and i've long since lost touch with my childhood friends. I can't be Malaysian, i lived in that country for less than 4 years, i can't be an Emirati for obvious reasons(at least obvious to anyone thats been in this region)

And East meets West. Like I said, they will not go well and you're gona have to re-read my post earlier about this.

Simply put, the logic of you being from wherever you live, it doesn't work in this part of the world. We still have that nationalistic feeling where you feel attached to your original homeland for all your life.

 

[Martin]

I don't understand your use of the word neutrality or what any of this has to do with being neutral. Neutral towards what or whom?

 

[Eddy]

Eddy! Long time no see mate...

Maaa nigggaaaaaaa

 

[Eddy]

I don't understand your use of the word neutrality or what any of this has to do with being neutral. Neutral towards what or whom?

Take it as a point of view of how me, Iceman,Rebel and Fred feel. I just used it to counter that we know that we're obviously against how you can't be an "Arab" even though you've lived there most of your life. Like how the U.A.E doesn't give citizenship to it's people, but the urge to say that your motherland is "EnterCountryhere" is/should be appropriate.

 

[icemaη]

Maaa nigggaaaaaaa

Where you been mate? How's everything?

(I'm not sorry about taking the thread OT )

 

[Martin]

Take it as a point of view of how me, Iceman,Rebel and Fred feel. I just used it to counter that we know that we're obviously against how you can't be an "Arab" even though you've lived there most of your life. Like how the U.A.E doesn't give citizenship to it's people, but the urge to say that your motherland is "EnterCountryhere" is/should be appropriate.

I apologize, but I think we have a bad connection. You said something about me bashing neutrality, I didn't understand what you meant. I still don't. Which point of view is supposed to be the neutral one?

 

[Eddy]

Where you been mate? How's everything?

(I'm not sorry about taking the thread OT )

Just chilling, been in Beirut this whole year. Got some passport issues that need to be resolved. Studying somewhat, composing, and just got offered to score a T.V show based in Dubai. Should be interesting. :jvefan:

 

[Eddy]

I apologize, but I think we have a bad connection. You said something about me bashing neutrality, I didn't understand what you meant. I still don't. Which point of view is supposed to be the neutral one?

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Home country, country of residence, country where your house is, isn't it just playing with words?

Yeah, this is a strange kind of delusion. People brought up to think that where they are is just a kind of waiting room, where they really belong is a place they've never been.

We are so much more a product of our environment than we realize.

To me, where I am IS a waiting room, and where I belong IS a place I've never been before. Must be a diaspora effect. Rebel and every other diaspora persons would agree.

 

[Martin]

Couldn't you just have said "what I consider to be neutral is ..."? I've read those quotes, in fact I wrote them. I fail to understand.

 

[Martin]

To me, where I am IS a waiting room, and where I belong IS a place I've never been before. Must be a diaspora effect.

Isn't that... how you say... escape from present reality?

 

[Eddy]

Isn't that... how you say... escape from present reality?

So a Palestinian in a refugee camp in Lebanon is escaping reality. How are they "escaping" if they were forced upon ?

 

[Martin]

So a Palestinian in a refugee camp in Lebanon is escaping reality. How are they "escaping" if they were forced upon ?

Let's not get into refugee camps, I hardly think that is relevant to the whole "if you're not Arab you can't become one" statement, is it? I rather think that one was intended to apply to a situation in which you clearly choose to live where you live, not that you live there because you're a refugee.

 

[Eddy]

Let's not get into refugee camps, I hardly think that is relevant to the whole "if you're not Arab you can't become one" statement, is it? I rather think that one was intended to apply to a situation in which you clearly choose to live where you live, not that you live there because you're a refugee.

But I wasn't forced upon to live where I live. I grew up there because of my parents. We already agreed that the "if you're not Arab you can't become one" is wrong, as my first point stated. The second point was the "individual which states his country of origin is his truest and not the countries he's lived in before" which is in this case, a subgenre in that subject which is the "diaspora". So it goes back to refugees, life conditions after refugees and what the opposing nationality which initiated these conditions will give back rightly (being economically or land similar to Germany-Israel after WWII) hence, the diaspora.

 

[Martin]

Have you been drinking? Have I? Let's agree to agree to not understand what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Eddy]

Have you been drinking? Have I? Let's agree to agree to not understand what the hell you're talking about.

Let's drop it here then. You aren't understanding how subjects like these are different here than where you are.

 

[Martin]

Let's drop it here then. You aren't understanding how subjects like these are different here than where you are.

That much at least is clear, thank lord something is.

 

[Eddy]

That much at least is clear, thank lord something is.

Perhaps Rebel can come and explain it in a way you can understand. It's a complex subject, hence you not understanding it is normal. Unless you're a political animal.

 

[Martin]

Perhaps Rebel can come and explain it in a way you can understand. It's a complex subject, hence you not understanding it is normal. Unless you're a political animal.

I'm not so sure, I think I pissed him off the other day.