Gay marriage (again) (16 Viewers)
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1. yes
2. dont go there, getting 'married' is the choice referred to here
i dont want to finance anything
but i can see the benefits of having a 'normal' home and how encouraging it is beneficial for the economy and society as a whole. So if it were up to me i'd relate it to my personal experience and what i have seen, and reward parents as opposed to just couples.
2. dont go there, getting 'married' is the choice referred to here
i dont want to finance anything
but i can see the benefits of having a 'normal' home and how encouraging it is beneficial for the economy and society as a whole. So if it were up to me i'd relate it to my personal experience and what i have seen, and reward parents as opposed to just couples.
i dont want to finance anything but i can see the benefits of having a 'normal' home and how encouraging it is beneficial for the economy and society as a whole. So if it were up to me i'd relate it to my personal experience and what i have seen, and reward parents as opposed to just couples.
but i can see the benefits of having a 'normal' home and how encouraging it is beneficial for the economy and society as a whole. So if it were up to me i'd relate it to my personal experience and what i have seen, and reward parents as opposed to just couples.
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My bad man, drunk and mis-read.
I don't get why straight couples are allowed tax break but not gay - given that gay couples are still paying taxes towards systems that they wont use if the don't have kids - which they can't do unless they adopt - which is helping the country out anyway. (of if a lesbian couple goes down a sperm donor route/gay couple finds a surrogate mother)
I don't get why straight couples are allowed tax break but not gay - given that gay couples are still paying taxes towards systems that they wont use if the don't have kids - which they can't do unless they adopt - which is helping the country out anyway. (of if a lesbian couple goes down a sperm donor route/gay couple finds a surrogate mother)
Problem is that governments, like the US, view corporations as individuals as well.
And governments like India's view gods as minors. (True story.)
Raz disappoints me as a person with fellow Lugan roots because apparently he's decided he can put himself in the position to judge what's normal and what isn't. I don't know who voted for him to do that, but I didn't vote for him as king...
No way, Jose. We have plenty of domestic partnership regulations in California. Nobody even wants to mess with that. As such, the whole issue of Prop 8 here would be a moot point: they already have their money, so shuddup.
The reason why Prop 8 here in Cali was such a big deal, and why so many gays pressed it, had nothing to do with economics. That hand had played out years ago. It had everything to do with social parity and acceptance. It's that if a guy is into another guy enough to marry him, he's not going to be thrown out of a golf club or hospital visitation just because he likes his man's deck.
On the one hand, you have advocates who are trying to force the issue and drive a wedge, causing a lot of social friction. On the other hand you have others who don't want to cause friction so much as to not have to fear being treated as second class citizens with second class relationships in many contexts.
And governments like India's view gods as minors. (True story.)
Raz disappoints me as a person with fellow Lugan roots because apparently he's decided he can put himself in the position to judge what's normal and what isn't. I don't know who voted for him to do that, but I didn't vote for him as king...
No way, Jose. We have plenty of domestic partnership regulations in California. Nobody even wants to mess with that. As such, the whole issue of Prop 8 here would be a moot point: they already have their money, so shuddup.
The reason why Prop 8 here in Cali was such a big deal, and why so many gays pressed it, had nothing to do with economics. That hand had played out years ago. It had everything to do with social parity and acceptance. It's that if a guy is into another guy enough to marry him, he's not going to be thrown out of a golf club or hospital visitation just because he likes his man's deck.
On the one hand, you have advocates who are trying to force the issue and drive a wedge, causing a lot of social friction. On the other hand you have others who don't want to cause friction so much as to not have to fear being treated as second class citizens with second class relationships in many contexts.
Except at the state level. There was an interesting case that went to the WV Supreme Court this past year. A farmer was suing the County over some tax detail he thought the Assessor failed to process or notice or whatever. Anywho, he is the owner of his property and owner of the family farm on the property which happens to be a business. So he sued as a representative of his business.
Well, according to state law, a person who is not an attorney cannot represent a corporation. IE, the person who owns the corporation cannot be considered to be the corporation. So the Judge threw it out, when the farmer refused to retain counsel. The case went all the way to the state Supreme Court and was upheld at every level. Interesting enough all 50 states have the same law.
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Wait, you think homos don't love? Come on man, we call them fags for a reason.
Well, according to state law, a person who is not an attorney cannot represent a corporation. IE, the person who owns the corporation cannot be considered to be the corporation. So the Judge threw it out, when the farmer refused to retain counsel. The case went all the way to the state Supreme Court and was upheld at every level. Interesting enough all 50 states have the same law.
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Wait, you think homos don't love? Come on man, we call them fags for a reason.
my dad is a bit like him, far from his extreme views - but he think that gay people shouldn't be able to marry, adopt kids etc. every time we have the discussion it ends in a big fight because he can't give me a better argument than "it's not natural" .
straight sex has been perverted to it's most extreme limit (i own a sex swing and a velcro sex wall f.e ) . yet i doubt that raz is disgusted by himself when some bitch in a porn movie is a chocked a bit or when a doggy scene comes up. if we're using the puritan example of natural and normal (which is the only well defined version that is) then hardly anything can fit under that category in this day and age.
not that i'm against it, i like to play rough for fun
straight sex has been perverted to it's most extreme limit (i own a sex swing and a velcro sex wall f.e ) . yet i doubt that raz is disgusted by himself when some bitch in a porn movie is a chocked a bit or when a doggy scene comes up. if we're using the puritan example of natural and normal (which is the only well defined version that is) then hardly anything can fit under that category in this day and age.
not that i'm against it, i like to play rough for fun
my dad is a bit like him, far from his extreme views - but he think that gay people shouldn't be able to marry, adopt kids etc. every time we have the discussion it ends in a big fight because he can't give me a better argument than "it's not natural" .
straight sex has been perverted to it's most extreme limit (i own a sex swing and a velcro sex wall f.e ) . yet i doubt that raz is disgusted by himself when some bitch in a porn movie is a chocked a bit or when a doggy scene comes up. if we're using the puritan example of natural and normal (which is the only well defined version that is) then hardly anything can fit under that category in this day and age.
not that i'm against it, i like to play rough for fun
straight sex has been perverted to it's most extreme limit (i own a sex swing and a velcro sex wall f.e ) . yet i doubt that raz is disgusted by himself when some bitch in a porn movie is a chocked a bit or when a doggy scene comes up. if we're using the puritan example of natural and normal (which is the only well defined version that is) then hardly anything can fit under that category in this day and age.
not that i'm against it, i like to play rough for fun