Gay High School (21 Viewers)

[Dinsdale]

I know what you mean. Technically, homosexuality is neither abnormal, previously concluded, nor is it wrong. When I use the word "wrong", I don't mean it in the literal sense as in "it's wrong to shoot your friends". It is wrong in the sense that homosexual behaviour contradicts the nature of man.

Anyway, your point is taken.

I already supposed that was what you meant. Your use of words was, well... let's just say very poorly chosen, which caused a lot of people to go ad hominem on you. And imo, even the statement that homosexuality contradicts nature is open to discussion, as anomalies are a integral part of life. Without them, we would all the same. And that wouldn't be very natural either, would it?

In science it is taken as a fact that homosexuality is caused by an anomalous chemical in the human body, and thus not by personal choice. Of course, there are some people who have intimate physical relations with people of the same gender by choice. But those people are not considered real homosexuals, they are rather just obscene.

 

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[rounder]

Haha, he is actually talking like he is proud of his ignorance. Its like "hey, I tried atleast", hehehe.

Actually, I am proud of my ignorance on the subject of homsexual animals. I for one, do not want to learn too much about it.

At least I didn't parrot something I read in an article or a book. I was orginal and creative, I invented a threory in the space of 2 minutes. That theory made a lot of sense for about 10 minutes. I challenge you to echo my feat.

 

[Martin]

Ermm.. Listen, I really don't give a flying fuck whether you or Enron think I should shoot myself, because frankly, what you or anyone else thinks means fuck all to me. Well, maybe if I were gay I would be a little offended.

The bottom line is, when I see a gay person on the street, I feel like thowing up. It's just how I am, I can't stand them. I can't stand the way they speak, the way they live, the way they act.. Maybe, you should accept people that don't want to accept gays into our society. We are entitled to our opinion.

Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?
Adams HE, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA.

Department of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013, USA.

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=8772014


In your case I would say probably "unaware of".

 

[Luca]

Well, personally i find the image of two guys having sex disgusting but i strongly believe that they were born gay, they can't be cured and magically become heterosexual and that's why i don't hate them and i don't have problems with them. It's mother nature that made them this way, it wasn't their choice.

I hate people who are something i dislike but they can be different than that, they can change but they don't want to.
With homosexuals it's not the case. They can't change.

Plus, the guy who takes care of my hair is gay. I just tell him that he looks much more handsome than ever and he does miracles to my hair

So to be gay is innate? There are no external factors lie the conditioning of society, there are far more of de gays about today than say 60 years ago? Why? Because god decided that he wasnt making enough gays?
The way i see it is that Now society sees it as normal and ok to be gay, even in the 60's it was considered extremley wrong eg. Brian Epstien, the beatles manager was gay, there were hardly any gays around whatsoever now it's almost 1 in 20

 

[Osman]

Actually, I am proud of my ignorance on the subject of homsexual animals. I for one, do not want to learn too much about it.

At least I didn't parrot something I read in an article or a book. I was orginal and creative, I invented a threory in the space of 2 minutes. That theory made a lot of sense for about 10 minutes. I challenge you to echo my feat.

No, I reluctantly must admit you beat me I cant even begin to know how to revel so easily in utter "creative" stupidity

 

[Martin]

I have nothing against the act of homosexuality, but I certainly despise the "gay culture". The flowers, the rainbows, the haircuts and accents, the attempts at being controversial and the whole Fab 5 culture give homosexuals a bad name.

Homosexuality in itself, while not really my cup of tea, is not really a weird concept. Most of us try to enjoy our lives, and we all find pleasure in different ways.

I can't stand that one myself. I don't know why. I just can't believe people would talk like that naturally, I mean it has to be an act, right? And not one that sounds good.

 

[rounder]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=8772014


In your case I would say probably "unaware of".

I can assure you buddy, I have never gotten an erection on the sight of a male, nor will I ever do so. This stupid psycological theory suggests that anyone who dislikes gay people is gay. Incredible.

 

[Martin]

I can assure you buddy, I have never gotten an erection on the sight of a male, nor will I ever do so. This stupid psycological theory suggests that anyone who dislikes gay people is gay. Incredible.

The study says people may be unaware of it. Ergo if you are unaware, then you cannot claim that you aren't, because you may think you're not and still be. You weren't in that study so we can't know for sure if maybe you're not one of those people who got aroused.

 

[rounder]

No, I reluctantly must admit you beat me I cant even begin to know how to revel so easily in utter "creative" stupidity

Good. I win.

 

[Alen]

That's not a valid argument as it could be used to say the exact opposite as well. Perhaps they went to a monastery and fell in love with a man, because there only were man.

It could, you're right.
Many homosexuals probably had no knowledge that others like them existed when they went to the monasteries and it could be the environment (in this case a monastry full of men) that made them gay, but in most cases that's not what happened.

In the archive of the Bulgarian institute of history i actually read these manuscripts of the monks from the Zograf Monastery on Athos. One monk from Ohrid (now Macedonia) escaped from home because it was time to marry and he didn't want to marry a woman. The same guy in another letter writes about his feelings for another monk.

 

[rounder]

The study says people may be unaware of it. Ergo if you are unaware, then you cannot claim that you aren't, because you may think you're not and still be. You weren't in that study so we can't know for sure if maybe you're not one of those people who got aroused.

Yes, I wasn't in that study. You didn't even have to bring the study up because it is highly illogical. You accused me of being unaware of my homosexuality. This is the equivalent of accusing more than half of the world (Christian and Muslim) fundamentalists of being unaware of their homosexuality. Utter nonesense.

 

[Enron]

I can't stand that one myself. I don't know why. I just can't believe people would talk like that naturally, I mean it has to be an act, right? And not one that sounds good.

But not all gay people are like that.

 

[Osman]

Good. I win.

I should change my gameplan to be able to compete with you next time

Because, for some reason, I bother to look up the facts and information of things BEFORE I build up an opinion of things. I didnt know the winning ways was choosing an opinion without any care for any of the factuals involved with it. But from now on I'll get busy in just that

 

[Enron]

So to be gay is innate? There are no external factors lie the conditioning of society, there are far more of de gays about today than say 60 years ago? Why? Because god decided that he wasnt making enough gays?
The way i see it is that Now society sees it as normal and ok to be gay, even in the 60's it was considered extremley wrong eg. Brian Epstien, the beatles manager was gay, there were hardly any gays around whatsoever now it's almost 1 in 20

I beg to differ. There have been homosexuals since the beginning of time. At different periods the lifestyle was embraced and during others it was shunned. In the 1960s homosexuality was shunned by the mainstream, so you had far less "open" homosexuals as you do today, where the climate is so much easier to lead a gay lifestyle in public.

 

[Alen]

There are no external factors lie the conditioning of society, there are far more of de gays about today than say 60 years ago? Why? Because god decided that he wasnt making enough gays?
The way i see it is that Now society sees it as normal and ok to be gay, even in the 60's it was considered extremley wrong eg. Brian Epstien, the beatles manager was gay, there were hardly any gays around whatsoever now it's almost 1 in 20

The number of gay people isn't bigger (i'm talking about the percentage) than it was 60 years ago. It's just that the society is more open minded now so they don't have to hide.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Yes, I wasn't in that study. You didn't even have to bring the study up because it is highly illogical. You accused me of being unaware of my homosexuality. This is the equivalent of accusing more than half of the world (Christian and Muslim) fundamentalists of being unaware of their homosexuality. Utter nonesense.

why is science so great? because it does not work under unchangeable assumptions, it makes observations and tries to find relationships and make predictions

 

[Martin]

But not all gay people are like that.

Well, of course not. Btw when I was growing up it was fashionable to say that you could spot a gay dude. I don't know if people were just bsing or if they were serious, cause I have like the worst gaydar in the world. Someone would tell me a person was gay and I'd be like "nooooo, really?". As if it's supposed to be obvious lol

Maybe I just don't pay enough attention to men?


Anyway, about the accent I think it bothers me because I'm convinced it's fake. I've never met a person without any gay characteristic, *just* the accent. So it's like someone playing a character next to you and you know they're not really being who they are. That's kinda creepy.

 

[rounder]

I should change my gameplan to be able to compete with you next time

Because, for some reason, I bother to look up the facts and information of things BEFORE I build up an opinion of things. I didnt know the winning ways was choosing an opinion without any care for any of the factuals involved with it. But from now on I'll get busy in just that

When debating about something in real life, something that could merit you respect and so forth. By all meeans, do look up all the facts and information. When debating in a forum, it's not really important. I like to mess around here and have fun, I enjoy making up bullshit theories and fucking around with people. Try it some time. You see, no matter what you say here, it has no consequence in your real life. Why not have fun? Why this serious attitude of having all the facts etc...

That's just a word of advice.

 

[Martin]

Yes, I wasn't in that study. You didn't even have to bring the study up because it is highly illogical. You accused me of being unaware of my homosexuality. This is the equivalent of accusing more than half of the world (Christian and Muslim) fundamentalists of being unaware of their homosexuality. Utter nonesense.

It's a scientific study, it doesn't matter if you consider it logic or not, it's a proven fact. I'm sure there were people 400 hundred years ago who thought the world must be flat, a round world just isn't "logical". And yet today we know better.

 

[rounder]

why is science so great? because it does not work under unchangeable assumptions, it makes observations and tries to find relationships and make predictions

More often than not, these very predictions are not as accurate as you would like them to be. Thus leading us to countless misconceptions. The previous statement posted by Martin was an absurd generalization, despite it being based on facts and observation, it is simply untrue.