Gay Adoption (5 Viewers)

Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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Rab posted several articles with quotes from scientist and reference like the american psychological association, and psychatric association showed that There is no evidence that shows that homosexuality is genetic--and none of the resaerch itself claims there is. Only the press and certain researchers do when speaking in sound bites to the public.

Should i believe a rugby player or science that says that it's not genetic at all.
Just because they have not found something yet does not mean it is not out there. It is recognised that there is no conclusive evidence to dictate one way or the other, but there are studies that do also suggest that there is likely a link between genetics and the tendency to be homosexual.

http://www.economist.com/node/12465295?story_id=12465295
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/863841tx#page-2
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000689939090350K (old but interesting)

There are a few interesting reads up there, but again no concrete evidence for or against.
 

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Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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It doesn't in regards to adoption, apparently we have moved on from that. What it would change if it were a choice over a genetic thing I have no idea.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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Just because they have not found something yet does not mean it is not out there. It is recognised that there is no conclusive evidence to dictate one way or the other, but there are studies that do also suggest that there is likely a link between genetics and the tendency to be homosexual.

http://www.economist.com/node/12465295?story_id=12465295
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/863841tx#page-2
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000689939090350K (old but interesting)

There are a few interesting reads up there, but again no concrete evidence for or against.
Yep the jury is still out, But some members here are saying it's defenitely gentic and others members like me and Rab get mocked when we say it's not and there's no proof of it.
 

X Æ A-12

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Whether or not there is a gay gene it's already been proven that homosexuals have noticeably different brain chemistry and hormone levels. Studies with human pheromones have also proven that their brains react differently to that kind of stimulation.

Whether or not you agree that homosexuality is something people or born into or not there are documented organic differences. That much is undeniable.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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I am merely saying there is more to suggest a gay gene, why would anyone choose to be gay? It is illogical, you can't just choose to be attracted to the same sex. If so I could convince you cheese to be gay.
 

Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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ßöмßäяðîëя;3253822 said:
First off, it's absolutely genetic.

Second, gays, lesbians, whoever, should have absolutely EVERY right afforded them as their "straight" counterparts.
Oh I do love you, you big racist.
 
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Just because they have not found something yet does not mean it is not out there. It is recognised that there is no conclusive evidence to dictate one way or the other, but there are studies that do also suggest that there is likely a link between genetics and the tendency to be homosexual.

http://www.economist.com/node/12465295?story_id=12465295
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/863841tx#page-2
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000689939090350K (old but interesting)

There are a few interesting reads up there, but again no concrete evidence for or against.
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Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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A random article that took 2 seconds to find:

Homosexual behavior due to genetics and environmental factors
Published: Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 17:21 in Psychology & Sociology

Homosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random environmental factors, according to findings from the world's largest study of twins. Writing in the scientific journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, researchers from Queen Mary's School of Biological and Chemical Sciences, and Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm report that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behaviour.

Dr Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading scientist on human sexual orientation, explains: "This study puts cold water on any concerns that we are looking for a single 'gay gene' or a single environmental variable which could be used to 'select out' homosexuality - the factors which influence sexual orientation are complex. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here - heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.

The team led by Dr Niklas Långström at Karolinska Institutet conducted the first truly population-based survey of all adult (20-47 years old) twins in Sweden. Studies of identical twins and non-identical, or fraternal, twins are often used to untangle the genetic and environmental factors responsible for a trait. While identical twins share all of their genes and their entire environment, fraternal twins share only half of their genes and their entire environment. Therefore, greater similarity in a trait between identical twins compared to fraternal twins shows that genetic factors are partly responsible for the trait.

This study looked at 3,826 same-gender twin pairs (7,652 individuals), who were asked about the total numbers of opposite sex and same sex partners they had ever had. The findings showed that 35 per cent of the differences between men in same-sex behaviour (that is, that some men have no same sex partners, and some have one or more) is accounted for by genetics. Rahman explains:

"Overall, genetics accounted for around 35 per cent of the differences between men in homosexual behaviour and other individual-specific environmental factors (that is, not societal attitudes, family or parenting which are shared by twins) accounted for around 64 per cent. In other words, men become gay or straight because of different developmental pathways, not just one pathway."

For women, genetics explained roughly 18 per cent of the variation in same-sex behaviour, non-shared environment roughly 64 per cent and shared factors, or the family environment, explained 16 per cent.

The study shows that genetic influences are important but modest, and that non-shared environmental factors, which may include factors operating during foetal development, dominate. Importantly, heredity had roughly the same influence as shared environmental factors in women, whereas the latter had no impact on sexual behaviour in men.

Dr Rahman adds: "The study is not without its limitations - we used a behavioural measure of sexual orientation which might be ok to use for men (men's psychological orientation, sexual behaviour, and sexual responses are highly related) but less so for women (who show a clearer separation between these elements of sexuality). Despite this, our study provides the most unbiased estimates presented so far of genetic and non-genetic contributions to sexual orientation."
Source: Queen Mary, University of London
 

Cheesio

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I am merely saying there is more to suggest a gay gene, why would anyone choose to be gay? It is illogical, you can't just choose to be attracted to the same sex. If so I could convince you cheese to be gay.
Is a pedophile also born like that ? People are born sado mado ??? It's sexual preferences. Like I prefer blondes over brunettes. There's nothing genetic in that ?
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Exactly, the latest scientific research shows more to suggest a gay gene.
Just because they have not found something yet does not mean it is not out there. It is recognised that there is no conclusive evidence to dictate one way or the other, but there are studies that do also suggest that there is likely a link between genetics and the tendency to be homosexual.

http://www.economist.com/node/12465295?story_id=12465295
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/863841tx#page-2
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000689939090350K (old but interesting)

There are a few interesting reads up there, but again no concrete evidence for or against.
What is it so hard to understand that you can't hold the people born with gay genes argument if it's not proved.

If each one wants to start putting assumptions left and right we wont finish and there would be no point discussing this. Stop assuming things that have not been found in human's nature. Very simple.
 

X Æ A-12

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Is a pedophile also born like that ? People are born sado mado ??? It's sexual preferences. Like I prefer blondes over brunettes. There's nothing genetic in that ?
You're talking about paraphilias not orientation. Gay and straight people can both have paraphilias.

And no I do not believe that pedophiles (in most cases) are born that way.
 

Salvo

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Is a pedophile also born like that ? People are born sado mado ??? It's sexual preferences. Like I prefer blondes over brunettes. There's nothing genetic in that ?
Yes they are born that way. So your claiming that you were not born straight then? That sexual orientation is formed? Or is that only for homo-sexuality?
 

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