Gay Adoption (2 Viewers)

[pitbull]

I'd say you're correct when talking about adoption. Regardless if you agree or disagree with gay adoption, the issue exceeds human rights.

Incorrect when talking about a consentual marriage however. Also, you probably shouldn't use "anything" when talking about 2 gay persons marrying, rather use anyone.

True, should've used anyone. Still, it's not a human right to marry Samwell or 5yo girl if you feel like it.

 

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[Buck Fuddy]

True, should've used anyone. Still, it's not a human right to marry Samwell or 5yo girl if you feel like it.

Hence me using "consentual marriage", not just marriage.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Question: So let's for argument sake accept that an orphan is better off with a same sex couple than at an orphanage. So therefore there shouldn't be a problem for them to adopt.

But how do you guys feel about same sex couples that get a friend/a person to their liking to carry a child for them (surrogacy/sperm donation) where you're essentially 'robbing' the child of a mother/father?

 

[Zlatan]

You can't say there are 'many' similar problems. That's an over statement and you know it. There are far fewer cases in the East as compared to the West, where these things almost seem to be the norm and generally accepted by society, because as you say there is a more emphasis on individuality.

That's a bold prediction, not sure how you're getting to that conclusion.

Or you could have the opposite argument that it is just more open in the west, not neccessarily more common.


And my prediction is like that because thats what usually happens in rural/less developed areas, even in europe.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

gays thread is the most active thread atm here

 

[Zlatan]

True, should've used anyone. Still, it's not a human right to marry Samwell or 5yo girl if you feel like it.

The same nonsensical argument over and over again.

 

[Azzurri7]

I'm seriously not getting RAbs argument that homosexuals chose to be so.

There are a number of questions I have:


1. If they are born heterosexual (i.e. attracted to the opposite sex), why exactly would they choose to be homosexual?

2. If they choose to be homosexual (i.e. they choose to be with the same sex instead of feeling an attraction that is caused by their bodies/hormones etc) why do they need treatment if they can just choose note to be anymore?

3. Why would they choose to be homosexual if they are actually homosexual and they know that they would be persecuted, especially in certain countries?


It seriously makes no sense whatsoever.

Before answering any of your questions I still have some un-answered questions I asked last night.

1- Why do we have two genders and not 1?
2- Is it proved genetically that babies are born homosexuals?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Or you could have the opposite argument that it is just more open in the west, not neccessarily more common.


And my prediction is like that because thats what usually happens in rural/less developed areas, even in europe.

I can't argue that it is more open here but I've lived there and here so I know from personal observation that these problems don't generally exist there but we can certainly have people on here chime in seeing as we got people from a lot of countries here.

Actually I would argue that in the East, the rural/less developed areas will be the last should your prediction come true.

 

[Zlatan]

I can't argue that it is more open here but I've lived there and here so I know from personal observation that these problems don't generally exist there but we can certainly have people on here chime in seeing as we got people from a lot of countries here.

Actually I would argue that in the East, the rural/less developed areas will be the last should your prediction come true.

I can also say there are many more people with phisycal/mental disabilities here in Sweden which is a testimony of their filthy, western lifestyle compared to Bosnia. However, the fact is that here they are out on the street, participating in life, while in Bosnia they're closed in their homes away from the public eyes, which would make my perception wrong.

 

[Azzurri7]

I just do not understand the stigma surrounding homosexuality. They are humans as well.

You're making it sound as if we're labeling them as slaves or animals. It's not like if I see homosexuals making out on the streets I'd go beat the shit out of them nor will it make me loose my sleep. We're just discussing and each one is entitled to his opinion. I'm sure no one will commit a suicide on Tuz if Gay adoption was to take place in any country.

 

[JuveJay]

I still cant believe that people actually think people choose to become Homosexuals.

I don't remember ever making a conscious choice of liking/being attracted to females, I can't imagine why it would be any different to a homosexuals being attracted to men.

It's sad to see such prejudice and homophobia alive and well in this world. Ignorance and Intolerance.

Funny thing is in Australia anyway, Homos are usuall pretty smart, happy, successful and rich. I know its a bit of a generalization to say all of them are, but if they are such inferior and "un-normal" people how would this be possible?

I see a direct religious-social correlation with most of the replies.

To quote a currently famous Italian :

In Italia sei gay ti sfotte la gente
In Inghilterra sei gay ti fanno dirigente

Hey everyone, it's 2011 welcoming you.

 

[WΏΏdy?]

Question: So let's for argument sake accept that an orphan is better off with a same sex couple than at an orphanage. So therefore there shouldn't be a problem for them to adopt.

But how do you guys feel about same sex couples that get a friend/a person to their liking to carry a child for them (surrogacy/sperm donation) where you're essentially 'robbing' the child of a mother/father?

Not cool,I don't support it.

 

[Zé Tahir]

I see a direct religious-social correlation with most of the replies.

To quote a currently famous Italian :


Hey everyone, it's 2011 welcoming you.

You're not supposed to embrace the 'latter days', foo!

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Before answering any of your questions I still have some un-answered questions I asked last night.

1- Why do we have two genders and not 1?
2- Is it proved genetically that babies are born homosexuals?

answer on 2nd question is yes! there was a tv show here, in russia, about gays, lesbians and other freaks, and yes, DNA test showed that most of them have homosexuality in dna code. And men who love to dress up as women it's all about DNA. Anyway society also affect on human

 

[Zlatan]

Before answering any of your questions I still have some un-answered questions I asked last night.

1- Why do we have two genders and not 1?
2- Is it proved genetically that babies are born homosexuals?

1. For procreation. However, not everythin in a human's life is done for procreation and different people are born with different genetical compositions and of different characteristics, so people can be born as exceptions to the rule.

2.So far there is quite strong evidence for it, yes.


Now answer the questions.

 

[Zlatan]

answer on 2nd question is yes! there was a tv show here, in russia, about gays, lesbians and other freaks, and yes, DNA test showed that most of them have homosexuality in dna code. And men who love to dress up as women it's all about DNA. Anyway society also affect on human

You go Russia.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

You go Russia.

You go Russia? translate please i don't understand scandinavien language

 

[Azzurri7]

1. For procreation. However, not everythin in a human's life is done for procreation and different people are born with different genetical compositions and of different characteristics, so people can be born as exceptions to the rule.

2.So far there is quite strong evidence for it, yes.


Now answer the questions.

1- So like you said, we have two genders for procreation, which is the purpose of having two genders to make family (babies) which means IMO that a male + male in which it results in no babies is wrong conception and against the purpose of this nature and life. And people can be born as exceptions to the rule says no one but you, Zlatan. You can't make an exception against nature just because you want it to be or see it that way.

2- Elaborate more please. I have never seen or heard that a baby's genes can be proved to be homosexual genes.

I'll answer your questions in a while, gotta solve something at work

 

[Azzurri7]

You go Russia? translate please i don't understand scandinavien language

You're something I swear

 

[JCK]

So where will we finish this year? What's the model of my next car? Any other future things you can share with us with such certainty?

If you know more about the EU then you wouldn't be a smart ass and ask such a question. Currently it is not in their agenda to make such an influence of the members.