Gay Adoption (5 Viewers)

[Salvo]

So because some people cannot parent for shit, we should not allow gay people to adopt?

 

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[Salvo]

I just do not understand the stigma surrounding homosexuality. They are humans as well.

 

[Salvo]

Spot on. Those kids from gay couples who received all that love and care will probably grow up and rape their dads in the ass...

 

[JCK]

They would be fucking up, because that's not their business, just like Zlatan pointed it out.

They will not be doing it that's why it's funny you even mentioned it.

 

[pitbull]

So because some people cannot parent for shit, we should not allow gay people to adopt?

Because adoption is a difficult process and many heterosexual parents are waiting to have their adopted child.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

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[pitbull]

They will not be doing it that's why it's funny you even mentioned it.

So where will we finish this year? What's the model of my next car? Any other future things you can share with us with such certainty?

 

[pitbull]

I just do not understand the stigma surrounding homosexuality. They are humans as well.

And they are allowed all the human rights.

 

[Zlatan]

Because adoption is a difficult process and many heterosexual parents are waiting to have their adopted child.

And yet there are more children without parents than people willing to adopt.

 

[Zlatan]

So where will we finish this year? What's the model of my next car? Any other future things you can share with us with such certainty?

They (still) cant do it even if they wanted to because it is not in their competence, as set out by the Treaties. And that doesnt change overnight.

And they are allowed all the human rights.

Right not to be discriminated against? Right to family life?

 

[pitbull]

And yet there are more children without parents than people willing to adopt.

depends on country

 

[Zlatan]

I'd think it was similar for most countries, otherwise you'd have no need for childrens' homes.

 

[pitbull]

They (still) cant do it even if they wanted to because it is not in their competence, as set out by the Treaties. And that doesnt change overnight.


Right not to be discriminated against? Right to family life?

Eu doesn't have the power to directly change things, but that doesn't mean that at one point they might not put a little or not so small pressure on those not-so-liberal countries.

They have a right to family life in Latvia in a way it's written in Latvian constitution - an alliance between men and women, child and parents, a family. They are not discriminated and could win a process if they can prove they are.

 

[pitbull]

I'd think it was similar for most countries, otherwise you'd have no need for childrens' homes.

again, the adoptation is a difficult process that takes time and it's a problem for those older than a year - no one usually wants to take a 6 or 7 yo, not talking about 13yo. recently born - there are no problems there. by allowing gay couples adopt, you cut the chances for normal couples to adopt, because they will also prefer the youngest.

 

[Zlatan]

Eu doesn't have the power to directly change things, but that doesn't mean that at one point they might not put a little or not so small pressure on those not-so-liberal countries.

They have a right to family life in Latvia in a way it's written in Latvian constitution - an alliance between men and women, child and parents, a family. They are not discriminated and could win a process if they can prove they are.

They might, but I doubt they will, they have shown understanding to member states so far. Even when they had the chance to adress the ban on abortion in Ireland they declined.

Its a bigger chance that the ECHR might influence it.

And the right to a family life is not a collective right, its an individual rights, so that every individual has the right to a family life, regardless of his sexual orientation.

And just because something is in the constitution doesnt make it right... There is something above the constitution, the European Convention on Human Rights.

again, the adoptation is a difficult process that takes time and it's a problem for those older than a year - no one usually wants to take a 6 or 7 yo, not talking about 13yo. recently born - there are no problems there. by allowing gay couples adopt, you cut the chances for normal couples to adopt, because they will also prefer the youngest.

Put them all on level footing, and if the homosexual couple is a better fit they should cut chances for less fitting heterosexual couples to adopt.

 

[pitbull]

Put them all on level footing, and if the homosexual couple is a better fit they should cut chances for less fitting heterosexual couples to adopt.

They'll loose the fight before it starts, no reason to waste the administrating funds.

 

[pitbull]

They might, but I doubt they will, they have shown understanding to member states so far. Even when they had the chance to adress the ban on abortion in Ireland they declined.

Its a bigger chance that the ECHR might influence it.

And the right to a family life is not a collective right, its an individual rights, so that every individual has the right to a family life, regardless of his sexual orientation.

And just because something is in the constitution doesnt make it right... There is something above the constitution, the European Convention on Human Rights.

It depends on how you define family. The way I see it, two men can't have a right for family between themselves because family is between men and women and child and parents. Our constitution is based on European Convention or Human Rights. Anyway, the point is that "gays are humans too" argument doesn't work here, adopting child or marrying anything you want isn't a human right.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Anyway, the point is that "gays are humans too" argument doesn't work here, adopting child or marrying anything you want isn't a human right.

I'd say you're correct when talking about adoption. Regardless if you agree or disagree with gay adoption, the issue exceeds human rights.

Incorrect when talking about a consentual marriage however. Also, you probably shouldn't use "anything" when talking about 2 gay persons marrying, rather use anyone.

 

[Zlatan]

It depends on how you define family. The way I see it, two men can't have a right for family between themselves because family is between men and women and child and parents. Our constitution is based on European Convention or Human Rights. Anyway, the point is that "gays are humans too" argument doesn't work here, adopting child or marrying anything you want isn't a human right.

Its not yet, but in a while it will be hopefully. Once it wasnt a human right for black people or women to vote but now it is... and you dont see it that way but its easy to say somebody shouldnt have a right when you're not in that situation... if you were you'd talk a different story... and thats what it's all about, trying to understand other people even though you might not feel/think the same way. Unfortunately, not many people can do that.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Thing is, there are many similar problems in "eastern" societies as well, they are just solved in a different way. In the west more emphasis is on individuality while in the east more emphasis is on collectivity.

Teen pregnancies will happen in the eastern world as well, only there the solution will be to force the father and mother to marry so to avoid shame to the family... whether thats a better solution, forcing a (perhaps unhappy) marraige which is difficult to get out of... I'm not sure I would agree.

You can't say there are 'many' similar problems. That's an over statement and you know it. There are far fewer cases in the East as compared to the West, where these things almost seem to be the norm and generally accepted by society, because as you say there is a more emphasis on individuality.

That's a bold prediction, not sure how you're getting to that conclusion.