Game of Thrones [TV, not the book, no spoilers!] (9 Viewers)

[Salvo]

Spoilered that for you but yeah it is is pointless.

 

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[lgorTudor]

Spoilered that for you but yeah it is is pointless.

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oh it was just guessing He isn't dead in the book as far as I know but it doesn't matter to the showrunner so

 

[Kate]

That episode was bull.

 

[Salvo]

Spoiler

oh it was just guessing He isn't dead in the book as far as I know but it doesn't matter to the showrunner so

Oh right, thought you knew

That episode was bull.

Absolutely.

 

[Ocelot]

Too many whiners here.

Little bit, yeah.

To be fair, this season hasn't been quite up to standards so far, but it's been exaggerated a lot by how much. Moreover, I've not read the books, but everyone who has basically says that the books that it's based on is a lot weaker than the first ones as well, for pretty much the same reasons all of you mentioned - the steam has run out of most plotlines, there's a lot of characters just moving around or killing time, with things being set up for the grand conclusion presumably. As such, I don't understand the extreme criticism of the showwriters.

Also, the Wall-plot has never been better and truly brilliant this season, Hardhome was an outstanding episode for example.

Concerning Shireen, I don't know book-Stannis, but for me his decision last episode has absolutely not been out of character for him. And his father-daughter scene earlier this season was literally the opposite of pointless, it's in fact extremely important in showing how difficult making his choice was.

 

[Osman]

They're going with their own story.

And failing at it big time this season. Dont know if its hubris or getting lost in their creative writing, but ignoring too much of the original source that made this possible for you is not all too smart, especially if it means inconsistent mess for characters and it just becomes cheap desire to shock your viewers.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Little bit, yeah.

To be fair, this season hasn't been quite up to standards so far, but it's been exaggerated a lot by how much. Moreover, I've not read the books, but everyone who has basically says that the books that it's based on is a lot weaker than the first ones as well, for pretty much the same reasons all of you mentioned - the steam has run out of most plotlines, there's a lot of characters just moving around or killing time, with things being set up for the grand conclusion presumably. As such, I don't understand the extreme criticism of the showwriters.

Also, the Wall-plot has never been better and truly brilliant this season, Hardhome was an outstanding episode for example.

Concerning Shireen, I don't know book-Stannis, but for me his decision last episode has absolutely not been out of character for him. And his father-daughter scene earlier this season was literally the opposite of pointless, it's in fact extremely important in showing how difficult making his choice was.

I never read the books either but I can't say it surprises me when I saw what Stannis did there.

 

[Osman]

Everything I've said is true.

For sure, even more so, you even being too kind on them. The most vital bit you said is now that they mainly caught up to the book, they have to rely on their own storytelling, and so fars its frigging shit.

 

[lgorTudor]

inconsistent characters

Spoiler

 

[Badass J Elkann]

imagine if Martin had a written a big role for shireen in his book he's currently writing up

 

[Kate]

I never read the books either but I can't say it surprises me when I saw what Stannis did there.

But now he has no heir, and I think his taking the kingdom for his line is an important part of his mission.

 

[Ocelot]

imagine if Martin had a written a big role for shireen in his book he's currently writing up

He told the shorunners to burn her.

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But now he has no heir, and I think his taking the kingdom for his line is an important part of his mission.

But not the most important.

 

[Salvo]

But now he has no heir, and I think his taking the kingdom for his line is an important part of his mission.

Yeah i don't get that.

 

[Kate]

But not the most important.

Then what is?

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Yeah i don't get that.

Perhaps that's a difference from the book. His main motivation has always been duty: he is the rightful heir, and so will his daughter be.

 

[Gerd]

Is it safe to talk about book stuff without spoiler tags now ? I mean the show has almost totally caught up with the books , except for one obvious detail which we still have to see ?

 

[Osman]

He made a point of it in the series in past season to defend his daughter to his wife and Melisandre that she is his rightful heir, when the dumbass bitch mother wanted to discard her. It seriously doesnt make sense to do that to his cherished daughter and only heir.

 

[Ocelot]

Is it safe to talk about book stuff without spoiler tags now ? I mean the show has almost totally caught up with the books , except for one obvious detail which we still have to see ?

Everything that also already happened in the show is fair game for sure.

But there's a book thread as well for everything else.

 

[Kate]

He made a point of it in the series in past season to defend his daughter to his wife and Melisandre that she is his rightful heir, when the dumbass bitch mother wanted to discard her. It seriously doesnt make sense to do that to his cherished daughter and only heir.

Exactly. Now, if he does become king, the moment he's gone there's no Baratheon to take his place and so it will all descend into chaos again.

 

[Ocelot]

Then what is?

He's convinced he's the only one able to stop the White Walkers, as King of course.

Watch his dialogue with Shireen before she gets burned, he doesn't even really want to become King anymore.

 

[Gerd]

imagine if Martin had a written a big role for shireen in his book he's currently writing up

she will probably face a similar death in the books , but definetly not by stannis's hands

Book spoilers , should not spoil anything on the show

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She together with melisandre stay at the wall in the books and seeing how she died in the show she will probably face a similar death in the books . Only difference would be that melisandre burns her without stannis's approval , which she would have never goten