Game of Thrones [TV, not the book, no spoilers!] (22 Viewers)

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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Just watched the episode, spoiler free somehow.






What. The. Fuck.






I always thought that peoples reaction to the Red Wedding last season was a way over the top and ridiculous, but this episode kinda made me understand them.
Like seriously what the fucking fuck. The first time GOT has actually left me completely speechless, the build up, the fight, the gore-I didn't expect such visuals to be honest...

Though....
btw this is my opinion relating this whole story and Martin.

I am quite sure that if the roles were reversed... If it was an obviously evil guy winning against a quite good guy with rightful vengeance and the good dude was on the ground, Martin would never make the good guy somehow miraculously kill the evil guy with his last effort.

I think the whole Oberyn dying was something very un-Martin like. So far Martin was describing a very realistic, painfully realistic deaths. Like in normal world Ned would be executed. Everyone was expecting him to somehow escape but Martin makes this realistic and Ned dies. Same thing with Robb Stark. But now when the realistic thing would be for Oberyn to not act like a retard and finish this or at least make sure Mountain can't reach him any more, Martin decides that the villain will magically have the opportunity to kill the hero. I really am sure that he wouldn't write it that way in reverse situation.

Martin must just take pleasure from killing the decent guys.
Agree pretty much 100%. It's not too bad and perhaps made the ultimate sucker punch a little bit worse, but it also was incredebly cliché - something I GOT at least most times tries to avoid (except for the "guy helplessly lying on the floor looking at another standing over him waiting to be killed until a miraculous savior stabs killer in the back" trope, I think that one was used ~3 times in one single episode a couple of weeks back).


And some pics:



 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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From reddit:
@radekas

While I agree that the the characters' morality in this show is grayer than usual, which I find refreshing, I think the "badder" characters have a good amount of plot armor. Lysa is crazy enough to not grant assistance to her sister, but not crazy enough to simply deny Tyrion his trial by combat. Jaime Lannister brazenly attacks Ned Stark in King's Landing and the consequences of his actions are pretty much nothing. Later, he escapes Robb's custody due to a combination of lucky breaks and the most incompetent prisoner management in Westeros. And of course in the process of his extremely lucky escape, by killing Karstark's son, kicks off events that lead to Robb losing the support of Karstark. Joffrey screws up Ned being sent to the wall and provokes the North, and yet in the subsequent war of five kings the Lannisters' enemies practically trip over eachother's swords. Littlefinger makes an incredibly transparent scheme to blame Tyrion for the assassination attempt on Bran, in front of Varys no less, and it somehow works. Arya Stark wastes her three hits from Mr. Badass Assassin on Lannister nobodies instead of anyone of consequence. The Ironborn decide to raid the frigid north instead of the wealthy Lannister lands, despite the fact that they are both equally distracted by the war. Theon Greyjoy somehow takes Winterfell with a crew of third-rate sailors. I don't care how undermanned your castle is, that is an act of plot. The result of trials by combat are extremely predicable: The "bad" party will win, no exceptions. None of these on its own proves much, but I think together they represent a trend.
Of course there are exceptions, but they have little effect on the plot. Arya, Sansa, Bran and Rickton survive, but while their adventures are fun to watch, they ultimately mean little to the greater conflict. Robb wins early victory, but doesn't end up killing anybody on the Lannister side who is actually important, none of the Lannister's enemies are able to exploit his victories, and he ends up getting killed off. Joffrey is assasinated, but at that point he was a liability to the Lannisters. Drogo dies, but only after it looks like he could be a threat to the Lannisters.
It seems that the "gooder" portion of the characters certainly bare the full brunt of realism while the "badder" characters are given many lucky breaks.
Don't get me wrong. I like Game of Thrones. But I do not think it is "realistic" fantasy, despite what many fans claim. I think people confuse "dark and gritty" with "realistic".
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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Gets more unlikeable by the episode too.


And the actor is easily the worst out of all major roles on the show. She seems to be a fun person from what I can tell from the interviews and I like her, but she's not really up to the job IMO.
 

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