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JuveJay

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It's gonna be hard. Not because he's not good enough, but because most of the young players are getting their career destroyed in Italy. They have :gsol: no experience :gsol:
No need for the inverted comma smileys, he does lack experience overall. Although I agree with you that young players should be given a chance, when the time is right.

Last season he did a sterling job considering where he came from, but it's right that this season he hardly plays.
 

Dostoevsky

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No need for the inverted comma smileys, he does lack experience overall. Although I agree with you that young players should be given a chance, when the time is right.

Last season he did a sterling job considering where he came from, but it's right that this season he hardly plays.
When is that? How are they supposed to get experience if they are watching matches from the bench all the time?

Teams aboard (Chelsea, Manchester etc.) all let their young player, whenever. Clubs in Italy won't do that and that's just retarded. They are sending players on loans/co-ownerships and most of the they also warm bench there too, which is pathetic.

Experience is supposed to be got on field, which is ignored in Serie A. It's silly to say 'aww, he just came to Italy'... so what? There are tons of players who started playing immediately and it looked like the right decision.
 

Hust

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Well, he should. Can't do any worse than him.
:agree:
Actually, he could do worse than Bonucci.
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When is that? How are they supposed to get experience if they are watching matches from the bench all the time?

Teams aboard (Chelsea, Manchester etc.) all let their young player, whenever. Clubs in Italy won't do that and that's just retarded. They are sending players on loans/co-ownerships and most of the they also warm bench there too, which is pathetic.

Experience is supposed to be got on field, which is ignored in Serie A. It's silly to say 'aww, he just came to Italy'... so what? There are tons of players who started playing immediately and it looked like the right decision.
BLOOM!
 

JuveJay

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When is that? How are they supposed to get experience if they are watching matches from the bench all the time?

Teams aboard (Chelsea, Manchester etc.) all let their young player, whenever. Clubs in Italy won't do that and that's just retarded. They are sending players on loans/co-ownerships and most of the they also warm bench there too, which is pathetic.

Experience is supposed to be got on field, which is ignored in Serie A. It's silly to say 'aww, he just came to Italy'... so what? There are tons of players who started playing immediately and it looked like the right decision.
That's why he has gone to another club. When is the time right? Not right now, when we have the best defensive record in the league and are unbeaten. Team first, players second.

I think you missed the point that I agree with the ideal, but we probably disagree how often young players should be involved with this Juventus. It's an idealistic approach, but young players make mistakes all the time simply because they don't have that maturity and knowledge to know how to deal with all situations, particularly pressure ones. Take a look at Savic at Man City. Sure, he has good attributes but he is making elementary mistakes all the time, costing goals and potentially points. So where do you draw the line? 1, 3, 5, 11 young players? Considering where Juventus have come from the last two seasons (7th, 7th), it is to be expected that we go for ready made players. And it's working. We missed the boat in 06-07 to blood several young players, we aren't an Udinese who can afford to let young players play for 2-3 seasons and make their mistakes here, let them do it and grow elsewhere.

Man Utd have had Ferguson for 25 years, we don't have that winning mentality, total focus on young players and record to fall back on. He may also not win anything this year with the kids he has. The experienced players continually do the business. If you took another manager and gave them Fergie's current team they would be an inferior unit.

As for Chelsea, have a chat to some of their fans, it has become a running joke how they don't see any of the 'wonderkid' players come through their academy.

For all his potential and attributes, I'm pretty certain we wouldn't be unbeaten or top of the league if Sorensen played all of Bonucci's games this season. Sorensen can be a cracking player but he has a good opportunity now to play more and iron out mistakes somewhere where they count less.

As for Bonucci, he's a player with some good attributes (confidence, calmness, aerial strength), and some bad ones (body positioning, penchant for aimless long passes, lack of pace). His calmness shouldn't be underestimated simply because of his bad attributes, nor should our defensive record. Still, I'd prefer someone else long term, and right now it isn't Sorensen.
 

Hust

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Bonucci is not calm and confident at the back, JJ.

Have you seen his decision making? His passing? I'd say making the right decision as a CB is one of the most important attributes of a CB...Bonucci just isn't all that good. Decent back up, but certainly not better than Sorensen.

Sorensen can and has played at times equal to or even better than Bonucci at times. What more does a youth player have to do at this club when they are out peforming first teamers? I mean seriously, if that doesn't warrant you PT in the first team then I don't really know what does. He has the ability, he has shown it on numerous occasions, I don't see the problem.

When Bonucci came on this weekend did you see how many mistakes he made in just a few minutes? Chiellini had to bail his ass out a few times in just a matter of minutes and you people seriously think Sorensen poses a greater risk than bonucci? LOL
 

Hust

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Hell, even Sorensen has displayed much better passing than Bonucci at times. As a teenager, playing at this level and doing as well has he has in a position that really isn't his ideal position and you want to talk about Bonucci having "strong attributes such as calm and confident"?

really?
 

Cronios

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Then we should hire someone experienced like Alex and loan out Bonucci as well, in order to gain more exp and get him back at later age.
CBs grow better in time, like wine, even a legro level guy can become remotely useful...

However it still doesnt justifies the extremely low fee for his half...
 

Hust

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Then we should hire someone experienced like Alex and loan out Bonucci as well, in order to gain more exp and get him back at later age.
CBs grow better in time, like wine, even a legro level guy can become remotely useful...

However it still doesnt justifies the extremely low fee for his half...
I agree with you on this, that's for sure.

If we are loaning out Sorensen as a result of lacking experience then there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be loaning out Bonucci as well considering the amount of mistakes he has caused this season already.
 

JuveJay

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You are confusing two different things. Calmness and confidence has nothing to do with decision making or 1v1 defending.

His attempt at passing like Pirlo is an example of (over)confidence, and Conte still tells him to do them as part of his job.
 

Buck Fuddy

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Bonucci is not calm and confident at the back, JJ.

Have you seen his decision making? His passing? I'd say making the right decision as a CB is one of the most important attributes of a CB...Bonucci just isn't all that good. Decent back up, but certainly not better than Sorensen.

Sorensen can and has played at times equal to or even better than Bonucci at times. What more does a youth player have to do at this club when they are out peforming first teamers? I mean seriously, if that doesn't warrant you PT in the first team then I don't really know what does. He has the ability, he has shown it on numerous occasions, I don't see the problem.

When Bonucci came on this weekend did you see how many mistakes he made in just a few minutes? Chiellini had to bail his ass out a few times in just a matter of minutes and you people seriously think Sorensen poses a greater risk than bonucci? LOL
Bonucci is always very calm & confident. Too much so even.

And considering his many shortcomings, he doesn't really have any reason to be calm in the first place. But he is, for some reason. Which is currently his biggest plus and has (almost) saved him & us a number of times.
 

Hust

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You are confusing two different things. Calmness and confidence has nothing to do with decision making or 1v1 defending.

His attempt at passing like Pirlo is an example of (over)confidence, and Conte still tells him to do them as part of his job.
they have everything to do with each other, JJ. Come on man.

Are you saying to be a top defender you don't need confidence in 1v1 defending against players are are outstanding in taking on defenders? You don't need calmness and not rush into a 1v1 challenge?

Dude, all 4 of those attributes go hand in hand for a defender. ESPECIALLY for a defender.

You can't really have 1 without the other and be a top defender.
 

Hust

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Bonucci is always very calm & confident. Too much so even.

And considering his many shortcomings, he doesn't really have any reason to be calm in the first place. But he is, for some reason. Which is currently his biggest plus and has (almost) saved him & us a number of times.
As many times as I have seen him fly into a mistimed challenged and failed resulting in lost possession, a foul, a counter, etc...he is hardly calm.
 

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