Frederik Sørensen (7 Viewers)
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Your other points were good as well, but I'd like to continue this. I'm genuinely curious at whether people think that Sørensen will actually develop as a player with a few games a season, perhaps in the Coppa Italia? It's just better for the player if he gets to start every week (assuming Bologna actually does start him) because he's not doing much else barring any injury crisis.
It's a terrible way of losing money, but I'll repeat that without B teams/a reserve league then there's not much else Juventus can actually do to give him consistent game time to develop as a player.
It's a terrible way of losing money, but I'll repeat that without B teams/a reserve league then there's not much else Juventus can actually do to give him consistent game time to develop as a player.
Because it is. 
Look, if you buy a young guy with the hope for potential, why would you risk screwing yourselves out of a lot of money on a co-ownership. Either you loan the player so he develops and comes back stronger or you sell if you just don't have faith in him. It isn't good for us because if we want him back we end up paying MORE money on top of the original 500k and it certainly isn't good for the player who gets caught in a very frustrating tug of war.
Either you want the player or you don't, wanting half of him is just retarded.
Look, if you buy a young guy with the hope for potential, why would you risk screwing yourselves out of a lot of money on a co-ownership. Either you loan the player so he develops and comes back stronger or you sell if you just don't have faith in him. It isn't good for us because if we want him back we end up paying MORE money on top of the original 500k and it certainly isn't good for the player who gets caught in a very frustrating tug of war.
Either you want the player or you don't, wanting half of him is just retarded.
2 - How much MORE did we pay for a 'ready' co-owned player? 4-5M? that's chump change compared to what a new transfer would cost.
the people running the system are not stupid .
Ballon D'or material those ones.
we 'failed' them by providing them A-grade tactical and physical training.
boo Juve boo.
All of them, like many others have, been very talented players and would have become great players in clubs that provides them what they need. But because they came from Juve they were bound to become mediocre. My point was that we have a decent youth system that produces average players each year, good enough to play in a serie-a team. Every serie-a and b team has two-three players that comes from our ranks but none of the players have played any games for Juventus. Not producing Juve-material players out of the material we have had to work with IS a management fail. Boo Juve Boo Yes Indeed. Over the past twenty years we've had world class quality players in our ranks yet not single one of them has gotten through except for Marchisio. The rest has become average or been scattred around. I don't consider Gio as WC but I would say that he Had the potential to become WC and would perhaps have become WC if Juve would have had the suitable environment. Producing one first team player (please don't name drop players like PDC that people here has wanted to get rid of for so many years) for I don't know how long can't be considered anything less than a management failure. Weather it's this management is better or worse I care not, all I've seen so far from it BS about WC players, WC talents, and on and on and on with more BS.
It would be interesting to hear how many great players Juve have produced over the past, say, 50 years. I can only come up with Marchisio. No other player we have produced have stayed or showed their true talents in Juve. If the club doesn't need the loan then don't fucking take it. If the problem is that the club is unwilling to play the player unless they get money for it (which they already are since Juve usually pay their wages and so on so the player is handed for free) then don't give them the player. Create a reserve team if you can't get rid of the players on loan because all clubs suddenly become overly greedy.
I don't understand what you mean by the second point. Mind explaining?
I would prefer the old way using a reserve team as a bridge between a-team and youth team.
Very few WC players over the years have ever been loaned out in their career but instead granted opportunities by their team. Something we will never offer any player until he's at least 23-25. I envy Bayern M amongst many other teams who are even willing to offer players like that Badstuber time on the pitch even when he was worser than Bonucci ever has been. I'm not saying Badstuber is WC, I even consider him below avarage, but it is the management how its and its beliefs I'm concerned with. We have said for past ten years that we will primarily focus on our youth sector, a bag of nonsense.
If Bologna believes Sörensen can contribute and they feel he can compete for a starting spot. Then loan him out. Fucking pay them a bonus of 200 000 euros if he gets to play 900 minutes if money is the rid issue here. If they want co-deal or something else then fuck 'em. Start that reserve team and hopefully some day in the future that team can reach and withhold a spot in Serie-B.
It would be interesting to hear how many great players Juve have produced over the past, say, 50 years. I can only come up with Marchisio. No other player we have produced have stayed or showed their true talents in Juve. If the club doesn't need the loan then don't fucking take it. If the problem is that the club is unwilling to play the player unless they get money for it (which they already are since Juve usually pay their wages and so on so the player is handed for free) then don't give them the player. Create a reserve team if you can't get rid of the players on loan because all clubs suddenly become overly greedy.
I don't understand what you mean by the second point. Mind explaining?
I would prefer the old way using a reserve team as a bridge between a-team and youth team.
Very few WC players over the years have ever been loaned out in their career but instead granted opportunities by their team. Something we will never offer any player until he's at least 23-25. I envy Bayern M amongst many other teams who are even willing to offer players like that Badstuber time on the pitch even when he was worser than Bonucci ever has been. I'm not saying Badstuber is WC, I even consider him below avarage, but it is the management how its and its beliefs I'm concerned with. We have said for past ten years that we will primarily focus on our youth sector, a bag of nonsense.
If Bologna believes Sörensen can contribute and they feel he can compete for a starting spot. Then loan him out. Fucking pay them a bonus of 200 000 euros if he gets to play 900 minutes if money is the rid issue here. If they want co-deal or something else then fuck 'em. Start that reserve team and hopefully some day in the future that team can reach and withhold a spot in Serie-B.
When Italy has finally understood that they can't pretend that player of year 25 aren't youths any more things will change. When the reality catches up with the national team I'm fairly certain they will come to some understanding. I mean come on... look at the goalkeepers that played in the NT the past 10-15 years and watch the coming successors of Buffon. jeez. The defenders then and the defenders now and the defenders who's stepping in in the future. It doesn't matter how good the U-21 NT is since no Italian team can give them the right kind of support.
If teams want some kind of financial reward (such as a co-ownership, hoping the value increases to make a profit), then Juve needs to hold off on any kind of payment/bonus until a certain amount of minutes played. Like, Sorensen for example: If Bologna want him, which they do, then they don't get a penny (since we pay his wages while on loan) but let's say he makes 15 appearances from now to the end of the season, they get 1m, if he makes 20 appearances they get 2m.
Give them incentive to actually give the player A LOT of actual playing time. But don't, for heavens sake, get tied up in some co-ownership bullshit contract that screws us at the end.
Give them incentive to actually give the player A LOT of actual playing time. But don't, for heavens sake, get tied up in some co-ownership bullshit contract that screws us at the end.
I mean, let's say it's official today that he goes to Bologna, and 2 days from now or on Monday they sign a new CB with more experience that would just push Sorensen to the bench...then not only is the player FUCKED again, but so are we in the long term because now we have absolutely no control over his development, and obviously either does he.
If you read my post. Just create a team and name it Juventus Reserves. Let it work it's way up the league system. Will take a long time but eventually and hopefully it will be able to reach serie-b. Just like Barca, Real, Valencia, Bayern and so on has. I don't mean creating a reserve league since that is out of our reach, as you pointed out. I meant creating a reserve team to compete it's wat from lega north and up to serie b.
