Formula One 2007 (12 Viewers)

Apr 15, 2006
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well, too bad we gotta wait A WHOLE MONTH for the next race! but the race was OK. i thought Hamilton wud overtake Massa at the start, but that didnt happen! alonso was a bit disappointing! i expected him to at least hold on to that 4th place! oh well... 5th aint too bad!

interesting to see the drivers championship...3 drivers tied at 22 pts.! very interesting! and Hamilton has been quite impressive too! i guess that's needless to say!
 

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Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
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I didn´t know BMW was so fast until this race and Renault disappointed me with their downfall this season, they lack a quality driver.
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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Yeah, perhaps Alonso was not just "lucky". :rolleyes:
He is a quality driver and anybody who thinks he was just lucky is ignorant. Alonso doesn´t always go for the 10 points, he knows it is important to collect points on every race if possble and you just cannot win every race.....
 

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Jun 8, 2005
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and who wudda thunk it that Hamilton wud be a championship contender 3 races into the season?!
He's really great and has the momentum going for him, but as the season develops I don't see him maintaing his position as a championship contender, it's gonna be a direct battle between Alonso and Kimi.
 

K0STA

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Jul 12, 2006
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sure....but when a McLaren gets in front of Massa, and he struggles to overtake, then it'll be the other way round! :lol:

Alonso and Hamilton are FAST and INTELLIGENT!
You probably haven't seen Australian Grand Prix... what Massa did there with new engine:)

I don't know about Spanish Grand Prix... but I've never seen McLaren survive in monaco:) and on Monza... there's Ferrari :)))

Anyway... Ferrari IS BETTER CAR ... and about drivers ... I guess Alonso is better than Kimi and Massa better than Hamilton... So it'll be tough...

Forza Ferrari!!!
 
Apr 15, 2006
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You probably haven't seen Australian Grand Prix... what Massa did there with new engine:)

I don't know about Spanish Grand Prix... but I've never seen McLaren survive in monaco:) and on Monza... there's Ferrari :)))

Anyway... Ferrari IS BETTER CAR ... and about drivers ... I guess Alonso is better than Kimi and Massa better than Hamilton... So it'll be tough...

Forza Ferrari!!!
well...such debates will go on forever! lets wait and see what the races throw at us!

Forza McLaren!

Massa better than Hamilton? i cant agree with that!
 

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Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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Yeah, perhaps Alonso was not just "lucky". :rolleyes:
IF Mclaren keeps having their durability problems and he still keep s winning,
then indeed he will prove he wasnt "just" lucky.

It was rumored that Renault initially decided to withdraw their cars, for this year and they started the development of this year's car too late,
they later "found" new sponsors that funded their competition this year but of course not in the high standards they used to us the last years, Renault was one of the most balanced teams, with the less mechanical problems for both of the drivers, this cant be said for this year.
This year, they have some serious mechanical problems, that keeps them from beeing competitive, problems that have nothing to do with Alonso or any other driver.
Alonso had smth to do with their performance of course, but his part was much smaller than their real current problems.

Mclaren on the other hand was always favored and always have had one of the fastest cars, the best mechanics and wealthier/influential "co-owners" in F1,
this year though they look better prepared than every other year
and this is not only because of Alonso, or the vodafone sponsorship,
its a new start for them and they want to return as the best team.
BUT the Mercedes durability so far, is smth remarkable, that has ever been repeated before, they have had a tendency to fail when the motor was highly performant, they could choose either performance or reliability, they couldnt master both in the same time, (the new qualifying rules and engine tech halts, favor them again and permit lower quality/durabilty engines to perform better this year as they have less qualify kilometers to worry about),
if it is the case this year then Alonso is indeed the most lucky driver in F1 now...
 

V

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You're a Schumacher fan I don't even have to ask.

Give me a fucking break, was Schumacher any different? In all his championships won he had the most competitive car ALWAYS! After a whole lot of championships he had such a good car they had to change the rules to stop his dominance, don't talk to me about having a good and reliable car, Schumacher always had that. He had durability, he had power, and lastly he had his skill, the same thing Alonso had with his time in Renault. Get over yourself, Alonso beat Schumacher on the track last season and he beat him like a great driver, luck had nothing to do with it. The season before that was not the fairest one in history, I don't appreciate the change of rules with the points, the engine rules, etc. but it applied to everyone and it was the same for everyone. Cry me a river.

Why Renault is struggling this season is a mistery to me, surely it's not only because of Alonso but it's definetly one of the factors, one of the biggest. Do you listen to yourself? You're saying a team which was completelly dominant for 2 years, won everything, then changed their driver, a 2 time champion, didn't find a suitable replacement and is now struggling, you're saying it has nothing to do with it? Are you serious?

You can't be a champion without a good car, that's a fact, but you can't be a champion by just being lucky, let alone a two time world champion. Get over your crush on Schumacher and live on.

And don't even try and say where did I mention Schumancher and stuff like that, you didn't, but only a Schumacher fanatic could say the youngest F1 champion ever, a two times champion I might add, was just lucky.
 

K0STA

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Jul 12, 2006
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I just LOVE La SCUDERIA FERRARI...

Not talking about the drivers .. Ferrari's F1 is not just Aluminum,plastics and other materials.. its got SOUL in contrast of other cars;

Watch some documentary on Ferrari Factory ;)
 

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Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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:yawn: :yawn:

You're a Schumacher fan I don't even have to ask.
guilty:D (actually WAS would be a bit more accurate)

Give me a fucking break, was Schumacher any different? In all his championships won he had the most competitive car ALWAYS! After a whole lot of championships he had such a good car they had to change the rules to stop his dominance, don't talk to me about having a good and reliable car, Schumacher always had that. He had durability, he had power, and lastly he had his skill, the same thing Alonso had with his time in Renault.
Agree:agree:

Alonso beat Schumacher on the track last season and he beat him like a great driver, luck had nothing to do with it.
Renault as a team was much more balanced and durable than Ferrari last year,
Ferrari was less reliable than ever, Schumacher lost his last title hopes because of an engine failure and that was hardly Alonso's skill on the tracks, Alonso won two championships full of 2 and 3rd places, he wasnt always the fastest but his car was always competitive under any circumstances and also was by far the most reliable.A driver cant be responsible for his team reliability, he is directly benefiting from that though and gain extra favor in front of the competition,
favor with a different origin than driving skills.
In my eyes Alonso is still untested without this favor.
Mclaren was traditionally the less reliable "big" team but so far both drivers had a perfect record.
Right now, from this point of view Alonso was really really lucky again, to be a part of a team without reliability or balance problems.(and most important, that team used to be up until now, used to be, THE less balanced and reliable)
Ferrari had the best tradition on this section, but the last 3-4 years they even fail to deliver there too, thats the only reason that keeps them from winning...

Why Renault is struggling this season is a mistery to me, surely it's not only because of Alonso but it's definetly one of the factors, one of the biggest. Do you listen to yourself? You're saying a team which was completely dominant for 2 years, won everything, then changed their driver, a 2 time champion, didn't find a suitable replacement and is now struggling, you're saying it has nothing to do with it? Are you serious?
I think i gave an answer to that, i even said that even before the championship,
i couldnt quess that Renault would be THAT bad already, though, but i was sure they wouldnt be competitive, the situation really speaks for it self, its a budget thing, they were about to withdraw their competition. They couldnt afford a decent pilot, they fell back in car's development.
While Ferrari,BMW and Mclaren were more eager, for the title, than ever before
and they would invest more than usual in order to make a leap forwards and overcome the unwilling to invest more, while winning, Renault.
Anyways FIA doesnt want/"allow" the same team to be the winner every year, because of the decreased interest in F1 that way, there are many other reasons too...

You can't be a champion without a good car, that's a fact, but you can't be a champion by just being lucky, let alone a two time world champion. Get over your crush on Schumacher and live on.
I m a ferrari fan, i ve always been a ferrari fan, i would have been a ferrari fan even if Shumi would choose another team.
I care and suffer the most, of the ferrari's lack of performance,
i suffer knowing that ferrari has the driver able to win the championship (both Schumi was and Kimi are able, Alonso would be too) but it is the car that lacks performance overall and struggles to beat the most competitive car every year.
In my point of view Ferrari has a great budget, (nearly unlimited, other teams complain) almost every year and they are always competitive for the titles, while the other teams have a few bursts of form (that i believe are bound to their yearly budget and FIAs changes on rules and other occasional reasons)

And don't even try and say where did I mention Schumancher and stuff like that, you didn't, but only a Schumacher fanatic could say the youngest F1 champion ever, a two times champion I might add, was just lucky.
Where did i mention Schumi?:p
Seriously i used to like Alonso too, but i dislike unproven and overrated pilots, (despite the press trying to make us believe tall Webber, British pride Button and Us of A pride Montoya as the new F1 phenomenon, i insisted Kimi and Fernando are the real talents from the very first races i ve seen them)
of course Alonso is a very talented and skillful driver and he can win anyone while having the best car (overall), (even Villeneuve did that too:p )
BUT, since in the modern age, the difference between the teams is much more crucial than the difference between drivers,
Schumacher was one of the last drivers that had the chance or even the "privilege" to win a championship while driving a less competitive car, he proved himself in a way, noone can repeat today. Schumi earned respect with the hard way and he was proven again and again under any circumstances. Alonso at this age cant be (already) better than Shumi was, after all those years of exp, in any way, it is really unfair to judge with the same standards, unequal proportions.
A champion cant be "just" lucky, of course, luck is not enough, but skill isnt neither...
But same times when the difference is bound to made by the slightest detail,
a little extra skill or luck can all the difference necessary for the ultimate win.
Skill determines a man, his caracter and caracteristics, it is the ultimate goal for everyone and the exemple to follow.
But luck is smth unmeasurable, unfair and unpreddicted, it is an irritating fact for some ppl that it determines the fates of men though.

It is a normal thing that ppl would love and feel compassion/admiration for the efforts of the proven skillful and unlucky man than the efforts of a lucky and potentially unskilled young man who is yet to be proven against the real problems of life...
 

Midzata®

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Jan 26, 2007
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I'm Scuderia fan, I am Schuma fan [still] but that was because of the team.
And yet you noone can say that Schumi wonned his titles just because of his car.
Once Ferrari dominated in ALL posible fields, then someone changed the rules...
Horse powers, cm³, tires, same engine in qualifications and race just to keep Schummi away from the title. After... Honda, BMW, Renault they all had something better than Ferrari someone had brake, someone had acceleration, someone had speed and yet again Schumi had the title. And tht title goes to the best team, not the best driver...
I f*cking hated Kimmi just because he was McLaren driver, but I'v constantly said that he was the second best F1 driver after Schumacher! Now I'm pleased that I don't have to hate him anymore :D And Alonso's title was PURE luck! An Kimmi's misfortune afcourse took place. He was and still is better that Fernando, this title belongs definitely tio Kimmi, now that he has reliable bolid. Not like McLarens which engine blows every second race. I'm not going to say that Kimmi is best this year thought, but Ferrari IS. [Take a look at Hamilton...]
 

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