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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I am sure putting Chiellini to LB will surprise and shock any opponent :snoop:
It's not about shocking the opponent (though sometimes it is). But look at Giovinco -- he's been lost without a mix-up of tactics. Some he is better suited for than others.

It's the coach's job to find the right balance to get the most out of all his players -- not just a few.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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Yes. My point being that if we don't make adjustments and try out new tactics, we risk the death-by-4-4-2 approach that this club has made famous in recent years where teams knew every match who was playing where and what formation we were coming at them with.

Are you new at this juventino thing or somethin'?? ;)

The fact that we are not doing it this season is evidence that different tactics can sometimes provide different learnings about what works with the team and what doesn't. If you don't even try them, you learn nothing and are left with the same exposed weaknesses and the predictable strengths -- often giving your opponents one less thing to think about.
Lets see now:
+played Mutu as a winger ("he will be good there" :seven:)
+played Tiago in Camo place just the other day, remember? ("why is Tiago playing winger, his not winger :blah: )

Coming up :p
Chiellini WIDE! left. ("stupid Ciro, now we dont even have any crosser from left side, and the cd is weak, everyone knows Chiellini is the best defender")
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
16,643
It's not about shocking the opponent (though sometimes it is). But look at Giovinco -- he's been lost without a mix-up of tactics. Some he is better suited for than others.

It's the coach's job to find the right balance to get the most out of all his players -- not just a few.
That i agree with. But i dont see Ciro experimenting much. Besides when DP and other strikers will be back, Gio will be dropped and we will play 2 strikers, Diego behind them.

And if Gio doesnt play, we probably need even more support from LB in crossing and coming forward.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Current? Currently we play 1 striker. I cant believe what i am reading here. If we would play 4-4-2 then Diego would be very wide, but his in the middle of the pitch.
The only difference between a 4-4-2 and what was played tonight is that Diego plays a little deeper, rather than as a forward.

The key is that there is flexibility in the current system.

Some people here have seemed to forget what 4-4-2 was, have you forgotten the Capello years? :p
Nothing wrong with an orthodox 4-4-2, no matter what some on here would have you believe.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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And playing Grosso at LB isn't madness?

I'm confused.

Chiellini played for years at LB and did so well. Call him a CB as much as you want, but some players are better than typecasting. That's how Chiellini became a CB to begin with: out of necessity.

One of our best players five years ago, IMO, was Zambrotta -- not so much for his individual play in one position, but because of injuries and weaknesses he could fill LB, RB, and LM as the team needed him to. It made the difference between winning and losing for us sometimes. In the end, it's not about individual performances but team performance.

Anyone who thinks Chiellini should never be anything but a CB is selling out the team performance for individual glory.

Playing Grosso at all is madness. I've never rated him, some people here might remember my opinion of him when he was at Lyon. Overrated fullback, always was.

That being said, i have to strongly disagree with Chiellini being played at leftback, he was never anything special there and to move one of the finest centerbacks in Europe to leftback is really not solving the problem. What you are doing here is shifting the problem not solving it, you'd get a defensively sound fullback and you won't need to buy another leftback, but in the same time you will be creating a bigger problem in the center of defense, which is arguably a bigger problem than having poor fullbacks.

Buying a fullback is the only way, as it looks more and more likely that even De Ceglie is not good enough for that position.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Playing Grosso at all is madness. I've never rated him, some people here might remember my opinion of him when he was at Lyon. Overrated fullback, always was.

That being said, i have to strongly disagree with Chiellini being played at leftback, he was never anything special there and to move one of the finest centerbacks in Europe to leftback is really not solving the problem. What you are doing here is shifting the problem not solving it, you'd get a defensively sound fullback and you won't need to buy another leftback, but in the same time you will be creating a bigger problem in the center of defense, which is arguably a bigger problem than having poor fullbacks.

Buying a fullback is the only way, as it looks more and more likely that even De Ceglie is not good enough for that position.
It is not really, playing two defensively weak fullbacks is madness. Grosso isn't that bad, plus if Sissoko was around, he would have suffered less of those. I would still play him ahead of De Ceglie and specially Molinaro. Thou I am sure everyone here agrees that Juve needs to buy two great fullbacks, left and right.

Juve should have brought better left back, but the reason the whole forum was excited when we signed Grosso is not because he is a superb fullback, that because it meant no more Molinaro bullshit.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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It is not really, playing two defensively weak fullbacks is madness. Grosso isn't that bad, plus if Sissoko was around, he would have suffered less of those. I would still play him ahead of De Ceglie and specially Molinaro. Thou I am sure everyone here agrees that Juve needs to buy two great fullbacks, left and right.

Juve should have brought better left back, but the reason the whole forum was excited when we signed Grosso is not because he is a superb fullback, that because it meant no more Molinaro bullshit.
It was obvious that Grosso was a short term solution. First to see what will happen with the infidel and second to eliminate the Molinaro presence. De Cegle will never be used as LB.

Caceres was brought on loan also as a short term solution. The board are well aware that two full backs are priority number one, a striker is priority number two and a center back is third priority.

We might as well see one full back in January.
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Not official yet

LAZIO (4-3-1-2): Muslera; Cribari, Radu, Kolarov, Lichtsteiner; Baronio, Brocchi, Mauri; Matuzalem; Cruz, Zarate. A disposizione: Bizzarri, Siviglia, Diakite, Eliseu, Foggia, Meghni, Rocchi

MILAN (4-3-1-2): Dida; Oddo, Nesta, T. Silva, Zambrotta; Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Pato, Inzaghi, Ronaldinho. A disposizione: Roma, Kaladze, Antonini, Flamini, Abate, Borriello, Huntelaar

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INTER (4-3-3): Julio Cesar; Maicon, Samuel, Lucio, Chivu; J. Zanetti, Stankovic, Cambiasso; Sneijder, Milito, Eto'o.
A disposizione: Toldo, Cordoba, Muntari, Thiago Motta, Mancini, Vieira, Balotelli

ROMA (4-3-3): Doni; Motta, Andreolli, Mexes, Riise; Brighi, De Rossi, Perrotta; Pizarro, Vucinic, Menez
In panchina: Julio Julio Sergio, Cassetti, Juan, Faty, Guberti, Baptista, Okaka


Chances are pretty big that Inter is going to humiliate Roma.
 

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