[FML] Serie A 2009/2010 (66 Viewers)

[Stephan]

And playing Grosso at LB isn't madness?

I'm confused.

Chiellini played for years at LB and did so well. Call him a CB as much as you want, but some players are better than typecasting. That's how Chiellini became a CB to begin with: out of necessity.

One of our best players five years ago, IMO, was Zambrotta -- not so much for his individual play in one position, but because of injuries and weaknesses he could fill LB, RB, and LM as the team needed him to. It made the difference between winning and losing for us sometimes. In the end, it's not about individual performances but team performance.

Anyone who thinks Chiellini should never be anything but a CB is selling out the team performance for individual glory.

I am guessing thats your wish/idea. But be realistic. Our backline is partly influenced with Lippi, he wont allow this experiment since Chiellini is best CD, secondly the backline will be ruined.

But moreover, dont you think Chillini is better at defending than Legro? I can understand his runs here and there, but if he is going to be a fullback he will run more often forward. Do you really want better (Chiellini>Legro) player to use his other qualities. You say its about team performance, but putting Chiellini on the LB position will make CD position weaker and therefore also the TEAM performance weaker.

I think maybe you should consider 3 CD backline then:

-----------------Gigi-----------------
------Legro-----Canna---Chiellini------
Cac---------------------------------Gros

But we cant really play that either, because although the fullbacks can then concentrate only on attack, we will have less pure attacking options in forward positions.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

Looking at our recent matches, I think our central defense situation has room to give. Not that I have ultimate confidence in Legro at all, but throw on Momo, etc., and I think we've got our central defense fairly covered with Canna back there.

But our wingback situation, defensively, is a disaster. I have zero confidence that this club can defend a lead if we face any good wingers who try to break down our defense. It's the weakness that Napoli completely exploited.

If we're up by a goal against a CL opponent with a decent right winger, I think we absolutely have to consider a tactical change as long as we're fairly comfortable with our central defense in the match. It's like we've got a 20-meter castle wall in the center, but a three foot fence on the flanks. That makes defending the center particularly pointless.

I would be fine playing Chiello on the left if we needed it and had Momo and Melo in front of defense. If we had to sit back Grosso would have trouble with a team that is good on the flanks. For the most part I would play him in the center tho

 

[Stephan]

I'm guessing he meant same formation as today's game but switch in ADP

And play Chiellini at LB?

 

[swag]

If you think I believe Legro is a better CB than Chiellini, we're not even in the same book -- let alone on the same page.

I absolutely think Chiellini is our best defender. And there are times you need to allocate your best players in defense to the weakest points in your defense.

There's no point in this club getting all smug about our central defensive prowess when we have opponents raping us on the wings like this. They don't reduce the value of an opponent's goal on the scoresheet as extra credit for having a great central defense while our wing defense is in shambles.

 

[Delle Alpi]

I would be fine playing Chiello on the left if we needed it and had Momo and Melo in front of defense. If we had to sit back Grosso would have trouble with a team that is good on the flanks. For the most part I would play him in the center tho

Or we can have marchisio Melo and Sissoko infront the back line.
Also I always thought about playing 3-5-2

Gigi
Legro Canna Chiellini

Siss Marchisio
Melo

Camo diego

Amauri Alex

 

[X Æ A-12]

And play Chiellini at LB?

 

[Stephan]

I was talking about Del piero and the formation he should play.

But you applied to my q to Swag Chiellini idea.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Or we can have marchisio Melo and Sissoko infront the back line.
Also I always thought about playing 3-5-2

Gigi
Legro Canna Chiellini

Siss Marchisio
Melo

Camo diego

Amauri Alex

three man defense

 

[abejaa]

If you think I believe Legro is a better CB than Chiellini, we're not even in the same book -- let alone on the same page.

I absolutely think Chiellini is our best defender. And there are times you need to allocate your best players in defense to the weakest points in your defense.

There's no point in this club getting all smug about our central defensive prowess when we have opponents raping us on the wings like this. They don't reduce the value of an opponent's goal on the scoresheet as extra credit for having a great central defense while our wing defense is in shambles.

i'd play with 3 defenders as well

--------------Buffon-----------------
----legro---canna-----Chiellini
-------Melo----Sissoko-------------
Camo-----Diego-------giovinco---
------Trezeguet---Delpiero-------


we need not support from our fullback, but our defense will be much more stronger, and attack as well

 

[abejaa]

three man defense

better 3 man defense than 2 man defense

 

[swag]

The three man defense would likely be even worse.

We can beat our chests about how great Chiellini is in central defense all we want, but it doesn't mean a thing if we lose 4-1 to Inter after giving up three goals to Maicon and Stankovic on the flanks.

 

[Stephan]

If you think I believe Legro is a better CB than Chiellini, we're not even in the same book -- let alone on the same page.

I absolutely think Chiellini is our best defender. And there are times you need to allocate your best players in defense to the weakest points in your defense.

There's no point in this club getting all smug about our central defensive prowess when we have opponents raping us on the wings like this. They don't reduce the value of an opponent's goal on the scoresheet as extra credit for having a great central defense while our wing defense is in shambles.

Well we can dream here about this, but its not going to happen.

I think you seem to forget important point. We have players in forward postions currently, who dont do any defensive work (Giovinco for example). Put DP in the lineup, he will do some defensive work (of course he is no defender, but you get my point, he will come back if needed etc, Gio doesnt do that), besides he will keep ball better, than Gio today for example.

Anyway, back to backline, our backline is dictated by Lippi. Lippi doesnt want to broke up Canna-Chiello partnership, and he wants Grosso to be match fit.

Its just not gona happen.

 

[Salvo]

can ariaudio play any wingback position?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I know I'm biased but I won't change the position of the best CB in the world for anything.

And of course, Chiellini is an average LB, the only thing good about it that he is so good defensively.

 

[Delle Alpi]

three man defense

Yeah, it's kind of risky, but if sissoko and marchisio are right there infront of the defense, that would be a steel wall. It's hard to judge how good a formation is or player in a specific position until you try it on the field. Barca last year played yaya toure in the cb position in the champion league and did a good job for dm. To be honest I would have thought it's a crazy idea to do so, but he proved many people wrong including me. We can say whatever we want, but in the end it has to be proven right or wrong on the pitch

 

[Stephan]

The three man defense would likely be even worse.

We can beat our chests about how great Chiellini is in central defense all we want, but it doesn't mean a thing if we lose 4-1 to Inter after giving up three goals to Maicon and Stankovic on the flanks.

And our DM-s only cover center of the pitch?

 

[X Æ A-12]

better 3 man defense than 2 man defense

Yes, thats why a two man defense hasn't been used since the 60's

Four man defense is the only way to go IMO

 

[Delle Alpi]

can ariaudio play any wingback position?

He should do a better job as a goalie. Gigi just doesn't cut it for me anymore

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Yes, thats why a two man defense hasn't been used since the 60's

 

[swag]

I know I'm biased but I won't change the position of the best CB in the world for anything.

So having Chiellini at CB is more important than beating Inter or advancing deep in he CL?

All due respect, but that's not just nuts -- that's Ranieri nuts.