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Suns

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Regardless of his goal today Ibrahimovic is looking nothing like he was at Juve and Inter.
He's actually performing well this season. He was their top scorer and has had a lot of assists this season. He's definitely a better deal for Barcelona than Eto'o for Inter.
 

Fred

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Obviously you haven't watched Barcelona in the past couple of months.

Ever since the Club World Cup, he has been absolutely atrocious for Barcelona.
 
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    Obviously you haven't watched Barcelona in the past couple of months.

    Ever since the Club World Cup, he has been absolutely atrocious for Barcelona.
    Indeed. Those were 2 months to forget for him. But before that he was, imo, their best player and now he scored on his last two matches (he didn't play against Santander iirc) so his crisis might be behind him. We'll see soon.

    Suns' main comparison was between Eto'o and Ibra though and in this case, although certainly not by much, Zlatan is proving to be a better player for Barca than Eto'o is for Inter.
    Eto's record isn't awful (10 goals on 26 matches) but he's not playing well and more often than not he's being outshined by Milito, Balotelli, Sneijder and Pandev, who all have a better record than Eto'o (goal+assists compared to time spent on the pitch).

    Deal for deal though, it's pretty obvious that Inter got the better of it. They got Milito, Eto'o, Lucio, Motta and Sneijder with the Zlatan money. On the other hand Barca splashed 49 million just to make a simple player swap and so far Zlatan (although he already scored 15 goals) is not proving to be more useful than Eto'o was.
     
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    Btw, someone already mentioned it but it got lost in the sea of posts, Zlatan scored his first ever goal in the CL knockouts.
    This was his 14th CL knock out match.
     

    Fred

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    Indeed. Those were 2 months to forget for him. But before that he was, imo, their best player and now he scored on his last two matches (he didn't play against Santander iirc) so his crisis might be behind him. We'll see soon.

    Suns' main comparison was between Eto'o and Ibra though and in this case, although certainly not by much, Zlatan is proving to be a better player for Barca than Eto'o is for Inter.
    Eto's record isn't awful (10 goals on 26 matches) but he's not playing well and more often than not he's being outshined by Milito, Balotelli, Sneijder and Pandev, who all have a better record than Eto'o (goal+assists compared to time spent on the pitch).

    Deal for deal though, it's pretty obvious that Inter got the better of it. They got Milito, Eto'o, Lucio, Motta and Sneijder with the Zlatan money. On the other hand Barca splashed 49 million just to make a simple player swap and so far Zlatan (although he already scored 15 goals) is not proving to be more useful than Eto'o was.
    Of course Inter got the better deal, despite the fact that Eto'o has been more disappointing than Zlatan this season.

    Ibrahimovic was never their best player for an extended period of time though, even when he was scoring goals, his performances for Barcelona weren't all that, he was responsible for losing too much balls and breaking too much of Barca's attacks. IMO he never really adapted to his new role at Barca.
     

    sateeh

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    Indeed. Those were 2 months to forget for him. But before that he was, imo, their best player and now he scored on his last two matches (he didn't play against Santander iirc) so his crisis might be behind him. We'll see soon.

    Suns' main comparison was between Eto'o and Ibra though and in this case, although certainly not by much, Zlatan is proving to be a better player for Barca than Eto'o is for Inter.
    Eto's record isn't awful (10 goals on 26 matches) but he's not playing well and more often than not he's being outshined by Milito, Balotelli, Sneijder and Pandev, who all have a better record than Eto'o (goal+assists compared to time spent on the pitch).

    Deal for deal though, it's pretty obvious that Inter got the better of it. They got Milito, Eto'o, Lucio, Motta and Sneijder with the Zlatan money. On the other hand Barca splashed 49 million just to make a simple player swap and so far Zlatan (although he already scored 15 goals) is not proving to be more useful than Eto'o was.
    That is the football part only. The thing to consider is that Eto'o was causing a bit of stir in the club and giving Guardiola and Laporta unnecessary headaches about contracts and what not.

    It will be interesting to see if Ibra actually comes good with his playing performances and not only goals. I don't think he will this season, but I have a feeling next season he is going to own that league.
     
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    It will be interesting to see if Ibra actually comes good with his playing performances and not only goals. I don't think he will this season, but I have a feeling next season he is going to own that league.
    I'm not sure. Due to his sheer quality, his physical abilities and Barca's creativity, he will keep scoring ~20 or more goals per season. By getting adopted to Barca's style he might explode and score 30 or more.
    But I doubt that he'll be as great as he was for Inter. He is obviously a support striker, despite his height and the impression he gives at first glance that he's a target man. In Inter his best matches were when he had another striker next to him and when he had more time and freedom to do what he wants.
    In Barcelona he will never get a chance to shine in the same way he did in Inter, simply because it's a different football they're playing and he's forced to get rid of the ball fast and act as a target man.
     
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    Oh, and one more thing, this time about Molinaro....

    Those guys who didn't follow Juve and serie A in these last years and saw Molinaro for the first time yesterday.... what do you think their impression of Moli will be?
    Can you imagine some Tottenham, Valencia, Liverpool fans talking in their forums now how Molinaro is a player they should keep an eye on and try to buy in the summer?
    I can.
    A player who didn't let Messi own his side, a player who's fast as a bullet, who plays defense and attack, crosses well, combines excellently and who's only in his mid 20's. They must be having this impression of him.

    Now this leads me to a question: How many of those names we hear in "The Wish List and General Discussion Thread" really deserve to be there and how good those players are in reality?
     

    only-juve

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    Oh, and one more thing, this time about Molinaro....

    Those guys who didn't follow Juve and serie A in these last years and saw Molinaro for the first time yesterday.... what do you think their impression of Moli will be?
    Can you imagine some Tottenham, Valencia, Liverpool fans talking in their forums now how Molinaro is a player they should keep an eye on and try to buy in the summer?
    I can.
    A player who didn't let Messi own his side, a player who's fast as a bullet, who plays defense and attack, crosses well, combines excellently and who's only in his mid 20's. They must be having this impression of him.

    Now this leads me to a question: How many of those names we hear in "The Wish List and General Discussion Thread" really deserve to be there and how good those players are in reality?
    Thats exactly the same point that i had yesterday when i've mentioned that i would think twice before signing a player from that club. The same old theory that i always had about arsenal players too. Arsenal players look extremely great in arsenal but once they move to another club they don't look as impressive there.

    Point is, People like arsene wenger for example knows exactly what he wants in hes players. So he just buys what fits he's formations-tactics but those same players wouldn't impress much in another team or league. You really need an expert eyes to see this thats why IMO a sporting directors job in italy is extremely important.

    Not anyone that impresses you would fit in you're team-league.
     

    sateeh

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    I'm not sure. Due to his sheer quality, his physical abilities and Barca's creativity, he will keep scoring ~20 or more goals per season. By getting adopted to Barca's style he might explode and score 30 or more.
    But I doubt that he'll be as great as he was for Inter. He is obviously a support striker, despite his height and the impression he gives at first glance that he's a target man. In Inter his best matches were when he had another striker next to him and when he had more time and freedom to do what he wants.
    In Barcelona he will never get a chance to shine in the same way he did in Inter, simply because it's a different football they're playing and he's forced to get rid of the ball fast and act as a target man.
    Completely agree there(best games came when he was playing with Cruz who was an out and out), also he is an egocentric person. Thats why Inter was a perfect match for him and not so in Juventus. He was the "big cohona" so fast there and he loved it. That didn't happen here and won't happen in Barcelona as long as Messi is there.

    However even though the conditions are not perfect, as you said he might score 30+ and he is that good that he could adapt.

    Oh, and one more thing, this time about Molinaro....

    Those guys who didn't follow Juve and serie A in these last years and saw Molinaro for the first time yesterday.... what do you think their impression of Moli will be?
    Can you imagine some Tottenham, Valencia, Liverpool fans talking in their forums now how Molinaro is a player they should keep an eye on and try to buy in the summer?
    I can.
    A player who didn't let Messi own his side, a player who's fast as a bullet, who plays defense and attack, crosses well, combines excellently and who's only in his mid 20's. They must be having this impression of him.

    Now this leads me to a question: How many of those names we hear in "The Wish List and General Discussion Thread" really deserve to be there and how good those players are in reality?
    Heck, most of our youth players we rave about are not as good they are made.

    Anyway,I agree you need to monitor them for a while first. But I don't think you can fully make a judgment about a player without getting a really good look and analysing his personality as well.
     

    v1rtu4l

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    Oh, and one more thing, this time about Molinaro....

    Those guys who didn't follow Juve and serie A in these last years and saw Molinaro for the first time yesterday.... what do you think their impression of Moli will be?
    i watched the game with some german guys and they certainly where impressed



    Now this leads me to a question: How many of those names we hear in "The Wish List and General Discussion Thread" really deserve to be there and how good those players are in reality?
    even when those guys are not ju-ve-quality, they are at least ju-tube-quality ;)
     

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