Felipe Melo (34 Viewers)

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
If Melo's red card cost us the season, what the hell was Marchisio doing when he was supposed to replace him?

NOTHING. Exactly what adds to ur team. NADA.
I never said his red card cost us our season. But, losing what "was supposed" to be a rock in midfield caused this team great instability, and unfortunately that does nothing but highlight to the world his mental instability.

We spent almost 30m dollars (or more) on Sissoko and Melo and they brought nothing more to this team than what you claim Marchisio doesn't do.
 

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Fake Melo

Ghost Division
Sep 3, 2010
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Felipe Melo, was one of the reasons this season why we weren't battling relegation with Samp.

And yes, I am exhaggerating, but we would be in even deeper shit if it wasn't for Krasic, Melo & Storari. Partly Quag & Matri.
No one else.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Felipe Melo, was one of the reasons this season why we weren't battling relegation with Samp.

And yes, I am exhaggerating, but we would be in even deeper shit if it wasn't for Krasic, Melo & Storari. Partly Quag & Matri.
No one else.
No one else?

So, by your theory we should sell everyone but the players you mentioned because apparently the rest were invisible for more than half a season?

Krasic fell off the face of the earth in the second half of the season. But hey, lets forget about that. You already know how I feel about Melo.

I will say this one more time. Because it is really getting old having to repeat myself to people that either can't think outside the box or just don't want to consider EVERYTHING before making their arguments.

I guess, this entire season, and the downfall didn't come down to a horrible coach, injuries, and a half season of Krasic. No, we were saved by the other half season of Krasic, some good games from Storari, 9 goals by Quag, 9 goals by Matri and of course everyone's Savior...Melo.

I see, now.
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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First of all amortization is used in accounting because it is supposed to reflect how an asset loses it value over (and to distribute the cost of the asset over the time it is used) . A five year contract is not worth the same as a four year contract. That's just common sense. Depreciation is used on the balance sheet to reflect that. So yes, amortization is an accounting concept but it is supposed to reflect real changes in value as well. You can argue that value can increase over time (what if the player gets better? Not in Diego's case though), and there are methods in accounting that deal with that but that is beside the point.

I think most of your Diego points are valid but they can be turned upside down. Wolfsburg won the Bundesliga in 2008/2009 and have gone downhill since then, true. They got rid of good players but if Diego is a great player he could have done a little something to undo the effect that those departures had on the team. He didn't.
Diego will be playing for his 4th team in four years now. Like you said, it could be said that he hasn't had time to adjust to one team and therefore he doesn't perform. It could also be asked, why is he playing for his fourth team in four years? Why is he always being sold? Why does his value decrease every time? It's much more likely that he isn't such a good player than every team/coach being wrong about him.

But yes, Diego wasn't a bad player for us. But even being one of the better performers in a very very bad Juventus team doesn't make him a gem either.
I know what amortization is supposed to reflect, ref, and I know that it's relative to the length of a player's contract. Jeez. My point was that you can't use it as a blanket tool, because far more often than not it is an inaccurate indication of a players market value. As in selling Zidane, or buying Nedved - the examples are extreme, but you know what I'm saying.

Value is largely in the eye of the beholder, and amortization is just one tool used in a complicated process. Not to be a dick, (sincerely) but are you an economics major, or an accountant? :D Because it's important to look beyond simple formulas, and baseline numerical statistics in these types of scenarios.

As for that line about players values increasing, etc., I'm not sure that is besides the point in this discussion - relative to the price we sold Diego for.

Even if you use amortization to justify the Diego price, and adjust the figures, we still would have been short roughly 5M. We should have given the player a second year - look how much Melo improved in year 2 with us.
Diego's value may have gone up (from the 15M figure); I doubt it would have declined as he acclimated to his surroundings.

And just as a relatively pointless aside...

Considering all of the issues we had midseason after Q went down, etc., I have a feeling that keeping Diego around may have been enough to get us into Europa. Seriously. I think he could have been the difference for a couple more wins. This is all silly and hypothetical, but imagine we had kept Diego and not purchased Martinez? People can argue all they
want about Europa being a shit competition, but playing in and potentially winning a European tournament is good for team building, morale, recruiting players, it's a modest financial boost etc. Continuity is so crucial.

So how do you account for those values? You can't really, because it's all silly hypothetical nonsense at this point, and we don't know how it would have affected the team, and subsequent transactions, etc.

But it still makes me wonder 'what if?'

As for Diego being passed around, I don't like basic stats like '4 teams in 4 years,' when I know some specifics about the actual situation. As in, both of his previous teams were in a total state of disarray, bordering on incompetence. The 4 in 4, that's something I would expect someone who hadn't watched the player, or didn't know the other teams' situations to say. I know you know the player and watch Juventus, so for our purposes, I think that's a bit of a cop out; it makes Diego appear much worse than he is. The only two teams who have been displeased with the guy, were in the process of basically being run into the ground while he was there.

Anyway, I gotta do a bunch of work. Have a good afternoon, man. Sorry for the lengthy post, people.
 

adriano_c

Senior Member
May 26, 2009
6,540
Is it a coincidence that all the Marchisio fanboys are fapping over Melo leaving? I think not.

The only way their boy gets some playing time.
Marchisio... the Moratti of Juventus?!

Can't beat your competition, so get them ousted behind the scenes and you take over?!

DAMN YOU BASED MARCHISIO
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
no he is just doing what del piero did to giovinco and diego.

also the only reason marchisio has stayed here and gets such support is because he is a youth product. same reason peope fapped over givinco despite him being a relegation level player.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Since everyone here loves to ignore statistics, let me give you some to chew on anyways for last season just for Serie A:

Marchisio: Games Started(32), Goals(4), Assists(4), Fouls Committed(43), of 38 Shots taken, 12 were on goal, passing completion 85%.


Melo: Games Started(28), Goals(1), Assists(0), Fouls Committed(47), of 34 Shots taken, 9 were on goal, passing completion 85%.


In what way was Melo better, exactly? Melo had the luxury of playing 29 games (1 as a sub) in his natural position while Marchisio had to play 21 games as a left midfielder. Yet, despite playing out of position has nearly beat Melo in every statistic mentioned but was invisible. :lol:

Discipline: Melo had 6 yellow cards, 1 red and Marchisio had 9 yellows, 0 reds. Marchisio was fouled 24 times and Melo was fouled 40 times.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
melo played as a dm, intercepting passes, takcling oppnenets and closing them down.

marhcisio played as a ghost. passing to the nearest player and trrying to do nothing as a player.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
The arguments I am seeing here are pretty pathetic. I will come back to this thread after I eat and hopefully see one worth responding to.
 

Bezzy

The Bookie Queen
Jun 5, 2010
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Nice job Hust.
And why would I enjoy melo is sold I just can understand I has happened
and marchisio has nothing to do about it
like I said before when was marchisio a rival for melo position
Never
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Nice job Hust.
And why would I enjoy melo is sold I just can understand I has happened
and marchisio has nothing to do about it
like I said before when was marchisio and rival for melo position
Never
Because Marchisio is supposed to be a DM, CM, LM, B2B and Juventino simultaneously to get credit here.

:howler:
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
In all honesty, some of these arguments I am reading here remind me of the "Trezeguet is not a good striker" argument from Elvin.


Pathetic.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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no he just has to have a role. and so far he has none.
Because the coach played him out of position. How about we give him 21 games in his right position next season instead of in the wrong. I don't think people can think that far ahead and if they can, they are too afraid to back track on their original arguments.
 

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