@Hustini
Calciopoli is a fair point but in what way? Take juve 2003 CL final team for example. How many youngsters that team had? You can maybe only mention Buffon and he was 25 by then.
If we talk just before 2006. I guess Zlatan was sort of young but not italian. Chiellini and Balzaretti were the only youngsters involved with Capello Juve. And id argue calciopoli actually benefited Chiellini. If calciopoli hadnt happened Cannavaro and Thuram would have played couple more seasons and Moggi would have bought some proven name replacements by 2008 as Cannavaro decline kicked in.
I remember we were very close to selling Chiellini abroad around 06-08 summers.
Its a fairer point if you actually believe in calciopoli as in teams were too busy fixing games and results and reps rather than growing youth.
Its possible Marchisio would never have established himself here as well if calciopoli didnt happen. Think about it. Moggi and Capello Juve rarely gave young players chance. Im talking about bringing up within the club not buying Zlatan or Buffon relatively young.
So thats why i dont completely see the calciopoli argument working at this stage going into 2018.
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Id argue that calciopoli could have been an opportunity which has been missed if we talk the whole Italy. Instead Juve has moved forwards since then and is one of the more modern and best run clubs in world football now. Meanwhile our "rivals" have stagnated or struggle to make changes including building new high standard stadiums and so on.
The fact that crooks like Tavecchio even get into these positions is alarming. These should have ex pros or people with vision and higher education backround involved like our own Andrea Agnelli.
Although i do remember people in these same forums being against Albertini getting that same position which Tavecchio got. Maybe it was the Milan roots bias.
Your closing argument/addition more or less supports my notion that in the grand scheme of things Calciopoli crippled Italian football in the long term even going into 2018.
1.) Inter for example immediately threw all their eggs into one basket when Juve and Milan were punished. The league was a joke and they took our quality players and only has balotelli as the one single quality Italian player.
2.) beyond inter success milan had to have ibra to get that one title before their similar club philosophy crippled them. Both inter and Milan were hesitant to replace their aging squad.
3.) the system was brought to a grinding halt in 2006 and suddenly with Juve out of the picture a vacuum was created for a power grab and we got morons like tavecechio for example.
4.) Serie A lost a lot of money and suddenly it became evident with bankruptcies and decaying stadiums in the news. This is where our Juve board in rebuilding saw an opportunity for self-sustaining policies and to an extent our selling policies (“market opportunities”). We became very frugal and more methodical.
5.) Juve policy has been buying youth but here is the catch...they stay on loan for years and out of our control to develop now in the hands of other clubs. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. One must ask, why is Spain and Germany (Belgium too) an assembly line of young WC talents? Why isn’t Italy?
I’ll close my argument with the notion that Italy had a chance in 2006 to rebuild after a farce but only one club did...Juve. We are/have/will always be the standard bearer for the NT but Napoli are contributing too. Milan and inter barely. We don’t have a B league where youth and post-injury players can play more frequently....it’s straight from primavera to some obscure loan somewhere. There is little oversight to developing players anymore...it’s more about survival in the immediate sense...Italy’s notorious for crushing youngsters who make mistakes (look at how low Rugani has taken for consistency for example).
That’s why I think 2006 threw a monkey wrench in the system where it stopped being about football and more about survival in a broken system fighting for table scraps.
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Hard as hell posting that much on a phone so forgive any typos or drifting between ideas/topics...hard to transition
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Juve had to wisen up quickly because in Italy there was a new order we had to fight back into. We stuck with the “stay Italian” philosophy which is why I think we were quick to pounce on bonucci, get Chiellini and hope Marchisio turned into a class cm. We had an aging Italian core of Buffon, camo and DP. Thank god they stayed with nedved and Trez otherwise god knows where we would be right now.
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While other national leagues have been a fighter jet with their ability to transition, Italy feels like a 747 trying to keep up but stick with old ways.
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