Federico Bernardeschi - AM RLC - Fiorentina (17 Viewers)

[Klin]

Don't understand the comments about Bernardeschi and Dybala not being able to play together in a 4-2-3-1. Yes, both of them would ideally like to play as Treq, but this is 2017 and Capello isn't our manager, players don't stick rigidly to their position for 90 minutes anymore.

 

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[Osman]

Only France

I dont know enough of Germany's tho nothing suggests Italy's better so even talk about it. But Spains is defenitely better.


But yeah France is insane, NO ONE gets close their talent production right now.

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Don't understand the comments about Bernardeschi and Dybala not being able to play together in a 4-2-3-1. Yes, both of them would ideally like to play as Treq, but this is 2017 and Capello isn't our manager, players don't stick rigidly to their position for 90 minutes anymore.

Some people need to realize even if he is a natural 10 type of player, Bernadeschi has played majority of his career games as winger, so he is adept at it and does it quite naturally. So to suggest he can only be Dybala's alternative as AMC is kind of falllacy.

 

[Xperd]

VERY wrong. Exactly which nationalities have a more talented pool than the young Italians right now? That list will at most be 1 country long.

We are Juventus. We've always built our success on talented players from Serie A. I don't understand how people develop such a strong bias against what we are built on.

Spain, Germany and France all comfortably have a better talent pool than Italy. And that's Europe alone.

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I dont know enough of Germany's tho nothing suggests Italy's better so even talk about it. But Spains is defenitely better.


But yeah France is insane, NO ONE gets close their talent production right now.

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Some people need to realize even if he is a natural 10 type of player, Bernadeschi has played majority of his career games as winger, so he is adept at it and does it quite naturally. So to suggest he can only be Dybala's alternative as AMC is kind of falllacy.

Germany's C team won the confederations cup which mostly included u 23 players.

They unquestionably have a better talent pool than Italy.

 

[Bianconero81]

VERY wrong. Exactly which nationalities have a more talented pool than the young Italians right now? That list will at most be 1 country long.

We are Juventus. We've always built our success on talented players from Serie A. I don't understand how people develop such a strong bias against what we are built on.

Spain, Germany, France, Argentina, and Brazil. There you go.

 

[Gigiventus]

I dont know enough of Germany's tho nothing suggests Italy's better so even talk about it.

In Europe? France and Spain with ease. I would suggest the germans, but I dont even know most of their young talents anymore, tho they win every youth championship around (u-19, u21 and confed in same summer? confed squad was basically u23 team).

I'm not sure which U19 you mean. France won the last one (2016) in the final against Italy. Germany only beat Austria and lost to Italy.

In the U20 they only managed to win 1 game (against Vanuatu), Italy reached semis and lost in pks.

The U21 they won ofc, still they lost the game and the group against Italy.

 

[Osman]

I mixed up last u19 with one while back, I seen them win quite a few youth NTs past few years. They dominated in these levels. Defenitely above Italy at many of these levels.


Who cares if they lost 1 game vs Italy if they won the competition? In final vs the stacked Spain that shit on Italy.

 

[Gigiventus]

Spain, Germany, France, Argentina, and Brazil. There you go.

I'll play that game

Please tell me which Argentines and Brazilians you mean, because this is a particularly low point in the usually-high talent pool for them.

 

[Xperd]

I'm not sure which U19 you mean. France won the last one (2016) in the final against Italy. Germany only beat Austria and lost to Italy.

In the U20 they only managed to win 1 game (against Vanuatu), Italy reached semis and lost in pks.

The U21 they won ofc, still they lost the game and the group against Italy.

Yeah and while their actual u-21 team was participating in the confederations cup which they won.

Saying Italy has a larger talent pool than Germany is a pretty insane statement at this point.

 

[Gigiventus]

I mixed up last u19 with one while back, I seen them win quite a few youth NTs past few years. They dominated in these levels. Defenitely above Italy at many of these levels.


Who cares if they lost 1 game vs Italy if they won the competition? In final vs the stacked Spain that $#@! on Italy.

Its not just 1 game though. Whatever the perception may be, they don't dominate on these levels at all. The last standout German performance, before this year, in the U21 euros came in 2009. In the U20 world cup they've never really done anything. In the U19 euro, 1 title in the last 10 years.

This German generation is definitely not one that can be put above by default when compared to other successful countries. There is very much room for debate.

They have a LOT of good depth, but not necessarily the highest quality.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Is this the new draxler

 

[Xperd]

I'll play that game

Please tell me which Argentines and Brazilians you mean, because this is a particularly low point in the usually-high talent pool for them.

I would agree that Brazil and Argentina are in a low point in their history in terms of producing a larger pool of talents but no matter what , both nations will always be considered a talent factory and will continue to produce insane (offensive) talents which Italy hasn't produced in 2 decades.

 

[Gigiventus]

I would agree that Brazil and Argentina are in a low point in their history in terms of producing a larger pool of talents but no matter what , both nations will always be considered a talent factory and will continue to produce insane (offensive) talents which Italy hasn't produced in 2 decades.

I agree. A low point for them is still good, specially in forwards like you say. Dybala and Icardi are great. Still, a team needs more and they both fall very short. For every great forward Argentina produces they lack a great midfielder. Same with Brazil, great wingers and fullbacks for example, but no CFs or CMs.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Is this the new draxler

Cheap italian knock-off.

 

[duranfj]

Mandzukic' passing is mediocre. The reason we're looking for him is because he's the strongest attacker physically and in the air, meaning he can hold the ball or head it through. That's about it.

Bernardeschi is a real raw talent and age is only a number. He can easily grow a lot when moving to a top club or elseway we should also stop pretending Dybala can improve because he's also 23 and has 2 years of top club experience already...

I really disagree. Mandzo is an awesome passing holding the ball but also at first touch. I'm 100% sure that was one of the reason to put him on the side.

I remember Max made statements about how great technically was Mandzo compare to Dybala cuz Mandzo almost never made a pass wrong and I started to pay attention to him and he is so Max and I r quite wrong on this one I guess

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Wtf?

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Same up. I can do more for u.

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allegri actually said something about it sometime in winter I think how he rarely misplaces passes and that he doesn't get enough credit for it as it goes largely unnoticed probably because people look more at his work rate.


True story

Exactly. People just wanna see what they wanna see. Mandzo isn't grateful so people used to underestimate him for that

 

[MikeM]

You think Bernardeschi and D.Costa should have the same price?

I am not a huge fan of Costa and would prefer Bernardeschi.

 

[Robee]

I really disagree. Mandzo is an awesome passing holding the ball but also at first touch. I'm 100% sure that was one of the reason to put him on the side.

I remember Max made statements about how great technically was Mandzo compare to Dybala cuz Mandzo almost never made a pass wrong and I started to pay attention to him and he is so Max and I r quite wrong on this one I guess

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Same up. I can do more for u.

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Exactly. People just wanna see what they wanna see. Mandzo isn't grateful so people used to underestimate him for that

Of course Mandzukic is technically ok and your coach won't bring down the confidence of a starter but Mandzukic's passing never goes wrong just because it is very basic. He does not make the hard passes a playmaker like Bernardeschi could make which is exactly what we're missing. Dybala needs to play in attack and we need someone else to control the play.

 

[lgorTudor]

Don't understand the comments about Bernardeschi and Dybala not being able to play together in a 4-2-3-1. Yes, both of them would ideally like to play as Treq, but this is 2017 and Capello isn't our manager, players don't stick rigidly to their position for 90 minutes anymore.

Dybala is a freaking forward, he isn't even supposed to play in a 4-2-3-1 as CAM. He got pushed into it as emergency plan after Beppe's summer massacre to our team. Continuing 4-2-3-1 is trashing Dybala's talent

 

[Ratchet361]

I can see it become like a 4-4-2 .
With D.Costa and Berna on the wings and Higgy and Dybala upfront

 

[Dominic]

Buffon
Richtback Bonucci Chiellini Sandro
Bernardeschi Marchisio Pjanic Mandzukic
Dybala Higuain

And when we rest Mandzukic ahead of CL

Variation

Buffon
Barza Bonucci Chiellini
Cuadrado Marchisio Pjanic Sandro
Bernardeschi Dyb/Mandzu
Higuain

 

[AndreaCristiano]

VERY wrong. Exactly which nationalities have a more talented pool than the young Italians right now? That list will at most be 1 country long.

We are Juventus. We've always built our success on talented players from Serie A. I don't understand how people develop such a strong bias against what we are built on.

Very well said!!! Bravo!!