Federico Bernardeschi - AM RLC - Fiorentina (28 Viewers)

[GIGIthebest]

When we brought Hernanes noone in the squad have the skills he had, specially how he shoot with both leg from middle distance so?

Lets see against our current attack: holding the ball (Dybala and Pipa r better), FK (Dybala is better), mid distance shot (Dybala and Pipa r better), dribbling (JGC and Pjaca r better), header (Mandzo and Pipa r better), Pace (JGC and Pjaca r better), pass (Mandzo is better), workrate (Mandzo is better)...

I'm saying Bernar doesn't excel in any aspect of the game so far and he's not a youngster so we r doing a gamble and I'm ok with It but for 50m is a WTF.

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I know. Someone says he's gonna come here and show us his "talent" and I asked exactly which was cuz so far I can see a good player but without any special characteristic and to point that out that I started to compare with our team and Bernar isn't better in any aspect of the game that our current attack, everyone here have some specialties and Bernar doesn't have any.

I suppose we aren't paying 50m for the current player he is cuz he doesn't worth It at all but for the player he could be and honestly I think so far he doesn't show anything that tells me that he's gonna help us to even mantain our current top clubs spot in the future much less in the present

You can't judge a player like that, you're talking as if it's FIFA 17. He's a good player.

 

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[Dino_mk]

Argument for who we need more, Berna or Pjaca is easy to resolve. Use the first in serieA and the other in CL.

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[MikeM]

The bottom line is that it will always be extremely difficult to maintain a sustainable, successful top club without Italian players. These are necessary risks. You want to have a base of players that are stable. You can't keep buying and selling every window because eventually you will start missing on your purchases. Once Barca had to start buying foreign players, they went to shit. Gomes, Turan, Mathieu. Good night.

Economically speaking, you probably overpay on the initial fee but make it up on wages over the life of the contract. We have a proven history of keeping Italian players in a reasonable wage structure. And then you have the ancillary benefits like Italian pride and all that other blah blah that people might not believe in.

With Bernardeschi, at least you know you can have a quality, versatile attacker who will not cause shit, won't want to leave, won't need a new contract every year, etc.

There is a premium on acquiring talented Italian players because of the guarantees they offer you. Everyone in Serie A knows that at this point.

 

[duranfj]

I'm agree about our italian core but Mark said they are asking for 40m + 10m Bonus + Rincón and our first offer was 40m + 2m bonus so at the end he's gonna cost us more than Pjaca and JGC together. So great for italian, awful for the deal

 

[Dostoevsky]

The bottom line is that it will always be extremely difficult to maintain a sustainable, successful top club without Italian players. These are necessary risks. You want to have a base of players that are stable. You can't keep buying and selling every window because eventually you will start missing on your purchases. Once Barca had to start buying foreign players, they went to shit. Gomes, Turan, Mathieu. Good night.

Economically speaking, you probably overpay on the initial fee but make it up on wages over the life of the contract. We have a proven history of keeping Italian players in a reasonable wage structure. And then you have the ancillary benefits like Italian pride and all that other blah blah that people might not believe in.

With Bernardeschi, at least you know you can have a quality, versatile attacker who will not cause shit, won't want to leave, won't need a new contract every year, etc.

There is a premium on acquiring talented Italian players because of the guarantees they offer you. Everyone in Serie A knows that at this point.

Italian players are less talented in this generation. Buying and stacking Italians means nothing if they are not good enough. Barca went to shit when they bought foreigners, but we went to even deeper shit when we kept on buying Italian players who were not good enough (post-calciopoli era). I remember how I was talking for a couple of years that we should stop looking into Italian market and focus our money elsewhere while majority laughed at that and said how we're investing money as we're supposed to. Then we bought Vidal, Tevez, Pogba (plus many others) and we started winning. We actually started winning because our core (bar defense) was made of foreigners. Even this season you can see Pjanic, Sandro, Higuain, Dybala and Mandzukic shining. When you look at assists + goals you see this

36 goals+assists: Higuain
27 goals+assists: Dybala
21 goals+assists: Pjanic
16 goals+assists: Mandzukic
12 goals+assists: Alves, Cuadrado
10 goals+assists: Alex Sandro
9 goals+assists: Khedira
6 goals+assists: Chiellini

You're right about Berna and his motives. He probably will stay here for a long time, might even be 10 years. He won't demand much or start doing shit off the pitch. However, we should buy Italian players if they are pure quality. I don't think Berna is a type of player that brings you a CL trophy, though, and it's kinda sad we're paying so much money to get him just to fullfil our Italian player quota.

But I'll repeat once again: I do not mind Bernardeschi. I don't... I really don't. I just think it's kinda bad/weird we're paying close to 50mln for him. That's all. As for the investment in young Italian players, we're doing it great and I believe we're on the right path with Caldara, Rugani and many others that we have tabs on.

 

[MikeM]

50M and above is certainly a stretch for me. But 40M is around his market value in 2017. You will see players like Salah and Perisic go for that money. Andre Silva went for that money. Most likely Lemar will go for that amount or higher (although he is better than the rest).

 

[LiquidPLP]

Did we sign him yet? So many peeps being unhappy with this one, while I hope we get it done asap. May I open the player's thread once we get it done? Just for being a believer?

 

[Mark]

Did we sign him yet? So many peeps being unhappy with this one, while I hope we get it done asap. May I open the player's thread once we get it done? Just for being a believer?

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[DAiDEViL]

Italian players are less talented in this generation. Buying and stacking Italians means nothing if they are not good enough.

 

[Xperd]

This argument about Italians shouldn't be black or white. Having a core group of Italian players is necessary especially considering most of them in the starting eleven right now are ageing but that doesn't also mean we should stack the whole squad primarily with Italian players because they show loyalty and all that jazz. If that was the case, we wouldn't even be talking about reaching CL finals let alone winning it. This generation of Italians aren't world beaters and I rather buy top foreign talent within the league or abroad(that compliment the Italian core) even if we have to sell them in a couple of years because they give us that extra push to compete with the best than assembling a squad full of Italians that most likely won't achieve anything outside Italy.

Obviously I rate Bernardeschi and having atleast one Italian mainstay in the offensive department is good for our long term stability.

 

[Osman]

Different doesnt mean either one is less or more talented

Pjaca is more of an athlete but he is quite skillful, Bernie is more a classic number 10 but in a bigger body

It's easy, Berna is better.

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[Osman]

Mandzo is one of the best passing the ball in our team.

Wtf?

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[Robee]

I'm saying Berna hasn't any skillsets better than our current players in the same each one of them we know what we can expect form them and they could even compete in the level we wanna be: top 4. At the end we r overpaying him only cuz his a rat player and italian "#10", I can't see other season for the price

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Mandzo is one of the best passing the ball in our team. That's why we look for him everytime we wanna break the presure line with a long pass cuz he can control the ball and open space with some nice touch. He's not grateful so people usted to understimated those aspects of his game

I said Hernanes cuz he was an AM and we didn't have anyone like him but it doesn't mean anything if he doesn't bring better options than our current attack and I'm not so sure Berna is gonna give us that so 50m is too much for a gamble....and he's 23 so I don't know how much he would grow up from his current level

Mandzukic' passing is mediocre. The reason we're looking for him is because he's the strongest attacker physically and in the air, meaning he can hold the ball or head it through. That's about it.

Bernardeschi is a real raw talent and age is only a number. He can easily grow a lot when moving to a top club or elseway we should also stop pretending Dybala can improve because he's also 23 and has 2 years of top club experience already...

 

[il brutto]

It's easy, Berna is better.

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He is currently more proven but I can easily see Pjaca becoming the better player in the future.

 

[InterMerda]

To people that say he doesn't excel in anything, his long passing is really good and so are his through balls, he's also really at distance shooting and taking Fks. His dribbling should not even be mentioned...

 

[Hydde]

To people that say he doesn't excel in anything, his long passing is really good and so are his through balls, he's also really at distance shooting and taking Fks. His dribbling should not even be mentioned...

Yeh.

I dont know why people are talking about him like if he was some random sturaro.

 

[Robee]

The thing is the 50m euros but at the time Dybala's pricetag was also seen as a big hurdle for an unproven youngster. Bernardeschi has actually shown much more and is more of a finished article when compared to Dybala at the time.

 

[rakib567]

They're both from Carrara.

i know

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Del Piero AND Buffon want him here? How could anyone think this is a bad move at this point?

ikr

 

[Hust]

Wtf?

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allegri actually said something about it sometime in winter I think how he rarely misplaces passes and that he doesn't get enough credit for it as it goes largely unnoticed probably because people look more at his work rate.


True story

 

[Dostoevsky]

50M and above is certainly a stretch for me. But 40M is around his market value in 2017. You will see players like Salah and Perisic go for that money. Andre Silva went for that money. Most likely Lemar will go for that amount or higher (although he is better than the rest).

You think Bernardeschi and D.Costa should have the same price?