Federico “Maurice” Cherubini (30 Viewers)

[Mark]

I take my back.

 

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[JCK]

I can't stand him already.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I take my back.

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In what world can Cherubini be at fault for not finding a solution for Ramsey and the like?

He did not make any of those deals, there are absolutely no clubs interested in those players and the only thing he could have done is take a major loss on them, same thing he is criticized for Ronaldo's transfer.

You think he would not like to swap out garbage for an amazing midfielder somewhere?

We cannot afford to get players on top of current ones, we need to ride it out and hope either our garbage starts looking decent under Allegri and someone wants them or they become less of a burden over the years and we can take a smaller loss on them.

This is what I kept telling people who wanted to get rid of CR at all costs because he is too expensive - with or without him Juve does not have money. 5-10 players who earn combined what Ronaldo did are a much bigger problem than he ever was.

This is a new cycle, Cherubini cannot be judged for two additional summers at least. We will be limited to 1-2 players per mercato until this mess gets cleared up. And the solution is not to get new players on top of current ones because you are going in circles then and would need to sell Chiesa or De Ligt to cover for that because guess what - nobody will touch our garbage.

Sure, we might end up selling them anyways if a crazy offer comes, but at least we do not have to sell them under price because of other issues now.

in a world where Cherubini would happily give up dermiral and Dragusin for little to no financial gain just to keep Rugani this season, and farming out Fagioli who I keep reading is meant to be highly regarded by Allegri yet freaking bernadeschi is preferred to him in midfield... THAT WORLD!

 

[campionesidd]

Far, far from impressed by everything Cherubini has shown so far.

The most positive thing is Locatelli, by far. Good deal financially, it took a bit of time but it was worth it. I consider Ihattaren as a good deal aswel, he’s regarded as a great talent who after the loss of his father quite recently, seemed to had his struggles mentally. For the price and risk I think we made a great deal. Kaio Jorge is impossible to judge, but young and cheap so I’ll see this as something positive. I’m happy with Kean to altough I think that we overpaid a bit.

Then Ronaldo as it’s a different case. I’ve been neutral on his departure all summer as I wanted to see who’d replace him. The timing has been horrible, accepting a financial loss even more. Basically there are only financial advantages now.

What really bothers me the most, is that we ignored our midfielders again. So many urgent sells; Rabiot, Ramsey, Bentancur, Bernardeschi and we failed to find a solution for all of them. Add De Sciglio and Rugani to the mix you just know we’ll face the same struggles again. Vicious circle

Rugani who couldn’t impress in France and at Cagliari replaced Demiral. No immediate financial benefits, and after Romero it’s a embarrassment to be honest. I can’t understand it.

The defense didn’t improve, midfield has something extra with Loca, but far from what it should be while having 4 talented midfielders out on loan (Rovella, Fagioli, Ranocchia, Ihattaren), attack downgraded, Ronaldo is superior to Kean.

And if it wasn’t for Pellegrini saying no to a loan, De Sciglio would be Sandro’s replacement. Incredible that we have to witness that in 21/22.

As if anyone will buy our garbage midfielders.
You can’t just sell to anyone even if you choose to.
The player has to want to leave and someone has to pay up.

 

[Oggy]

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in a world where Cherubini would happily give up dermiral and Dragusin for little to no financial gain just to keep Rugani this season, and farming out Fagioli who I keep reading is meant to be highly regarded by Allegri yet freaking bernadeschi is preferred to him in midfield... THAT WORLD!

In what world would anyone take Rugani??? In this world, we had to get rid of Demiral and Dragusin just because "someone" extended Rugani's contract twice and we can't move him anywhere. The same can be applied to Bernardeschi, Ramsey, Rabiot, Arthur etc.

@IlCapitano - I totally agree with you, and that was pretty much the point of my post. We are stuck in this situation that will probably last for few more years until we rid of the burden contracts "someone" willingly gave.

 

[U Picciriddu]

In what world can Cherubini be at fault for not finding a solution for Ramsey and the like?

He did not make any of those deals, there are absolutely no clubs interested in those players and the only thing he could have done is take a major loss on them, same thing he is criticized for Ronaldo's transfer.

You think he would not like to swap out garbage for an amazing midfielder somewhere?

We cannot afford to get players on top of current ones, we need to ride it out and hope either our garbage starts looking decent under Allegri and someone wants them or they become less of a burden over the years and we can take a smaller loss on them.

This is what I kept telling people who wanted to get rid of CR at all costs because he is too expensive - with or without him Juve does not have money. 5-10 players who earn combined what Ronaldo did are a much bigger problem than he ever was.

This is a new cycle, Cherubini cannot be judged for two additional summers at least. We will be limited to 1-2 players per mercato until this mess gets cleared up. And the solution is not to get new players on top of current ones because you are going in circles then and would need to sell Chiesa or De Ligt to cover for that because guess what - nobody will touch our garbage.

Sure, we might end up selling them anyways if a crazy offer comes, but at least we do not have to sell them under price because of other issues now.

How can’t you criticize him? Our midfielders aren’t unsellable, we just say this shit to much to lighten the situation.

Bernardeschi; positive Euro’s, expiring contract, low amortization value, one of the best agents who usually finds a solution. Salary seems to much for us but probably not abroad, but we missed the last opportunity to sell him. Either we extend or he walks away for free now.

Bentancur; horrible season but let’s not ignore his low salary, his experience at relatively young age and low book value.

Rabiot; signed for free, starter for France, his salary is indeed a big problem but we need next to nothing to avoid a loss. There are options to sell him if we really wanted to, with paying a small percentage of his salary aswel, and that a extreme option, I know.

Ramsey; as said by Agresti he didn’t accept other opportunities (so there were offers), but I doubt that we really said to him that he has to go.

And let’s not forget Demiral -> Rugani and De Sciglio as our reserve backup for Sandro if Pellegrini accepted a loan.

Individually our midfielders aren’t that bad they would probably do better in a different environment, but them as a collective is absolute garbage.

 

[IlCapitano]

I did not say they are unsellable, I said the only way to get rid of them would be at a loss plus with us having to pay a part of their wages. Same thing you are criticizing him for Ronaldo's transfer so make up your mind.

Also, their value is so low that even if we sold them we would hardly have money for someone that would be a significant upgrade and there is no reason to tread water.

Allegri also probably preferred keeping those players unless we can improve on them a lot.

Bentancur, McKennie and Rabiot are not bad players. Rabiot had a good Euro, he can be useful. We just need time to get rid of bad habits Pirlo installed and Allegri to get back in the mix, he is rusty too which can be seen from how he used his subs these two games.

 

[Ronn]

Only marginally better than the previous management

 

[Badass J Elkann]

How can’t you criticize him? Our midfielders aren’t unsellable, we just say this shit to much to lighten the situation.

Bernardeschi; positive Euro’s, expiring contract, low amortization value, one of the best agents who usually finds a solution. Salary seems to much for us but probably not abroad, but we missed the last opportunity to sell him. Either we extend or he walks away for free now.

Bentancur; horrible season but let’s not ignore his low salary, his experience at relatively young age and low book value.

Rabiot; signed for free, starter for France, his salary is indeed a big problem but we need next to nothing to avoid a loss. There are options to sell him if we really wanted to, with paying a small percentage of his salary aswel, and that a extreme option, I know.

Ramsey; as said by Agresti he didn’t accept other opportunities (so there were offers), but I doubt that we really said to him that he has to go.

And let’s not forget Demiral -> Rugani and De Sciglio as our reserve backup for Sandro if Pellegrini accepted a loan.

Individually our midfielders aren’t that bad they would probably do better in a different environment, but them as a collective is absolute garbage.

Ironic that Paratici was given shit for letting khedira, Higuain, Matuidi, costa go for nothing who were considered deadwood last summer but Cherubini being unable to offload Ramsey is ok even if nobody wants him at the club.

Rabiot was never going to leave this summer as its well documented he was actually signed with Allegri's approval prior to his dismissal.

 

[JCK]

Ironic that Paratici was given shit for letting khedira, Higuain, Matuidi, costa go for nothing who were considered deadwood last summer but Cherubini being unable to offload Ramsey is ok even if nobody wants him at the club.

Rabiot was never going to leave this summer as its well documented he was actually signed with Allegri's approval prior to his dismissal.

Cherubini is getting the same shit.

 

[s4tch]

... in a world where Cherubini would happily give up dermiral and Dragusin for little to no financial gain just to keep Rugani this season,...

rugani is unsellable because he has a long contract, high wages and he's pretty shit too. he had zero offers, that's why he's still here.

yeah, you can thank it to paratici, who gave him two fat contracts, then realized that rugani was shit, then tried and failed to sell him. the damage paratici did is unacceptable, unparalleled and will take years to get rid of.

 

[U Picciriddu]

rugani is unsellable because he has a long contract, high wages and he's pretty shit too. he had zero offers, that's why he's still here.

yeah, you can thank it to paratici, who gave him two fat contracts, then realized that rugani was shit, then tried and failed to sell him. the damage paratici did is unacceptable, unparalleled and will take years to get rid of.

Ruga had offers, Im quite sure about it. Sevilla or Real Betis, some interest from Turkey and in Serie A (Lazio I thought). So it was more a technical decision, probably with some influence of Allegri.

 

[Ronn]

Ruga had offers, Im quite sure about it. Sevilla or Real Betis, some interest from Turkey and in Serie A (Lazio I thought). So it was more a technical decision, probably with some influence of Allegri.

Who would give him 3.5m salary?

 

[s4tch]

Ruga had offers, Im quite sure about it. Sevilla or Real Betis, some interest from Turkey and in Serie A (Lazio I thought). So it was more a technical decision, probably with some influence of Allegri.

allegri said that he has the same role in the mercato as before. besides that, rugani has a 3.5m salary that cagliari didn't even pay last season, and i'm sure the mentioned teams wouldn't be willing to pay him either. if he had a good offer he'd be out already.

 

[Ronn]

allegri said that he has the same role in the mercato as before. besides that, rugani has a 3.5m salary that cagliari didn't even pay last season, and i'm sure the mentioned teams wouldn't be willing to pay him either. if he had a good offer he'd be out already.

Wait did we pay all of his salary last season?

 

[U Picciriddu]

I did not say they are unsellable, I said the only way to get rid of them would be at a loss plus with us having to pay a part of their wages. Same thing you are criticizing him for Ronaldo's transfer so make up your mind.

Also, their value is so low that even if we sold them we would hardly have money for someone that would be a significant upgrade and there is no reason to tread water.

Allegri also probably preferred keeping those players unless we can improve on them a lot.

Bentancur, McKennie and Rabiot are not bad players. Rabiot had a good Euro, he can be useful. We just need time to get rid of bad habits Pirlo installed and Allegri to get back in the mix, he is rusty too which can be seen from how he used his subs these two games.

The loss is easily avoidable considering all of them have a low book value. Their salary is another thing but doesn’t necessarily apply to Bentancur and Bernardeschi. And tbh I rather pay Ramsey 2-3m per year to have his injured ass as for as possible away from this club instead of seeing him another year at J Medical and struggling against a lower side in a Coppa game.

Some interesting midfielders were sold/available for peanuts as Koopmeiners, Traore and Zaccagni for example. And this are just a few cheap options that come fast to mind. I’m sure if we do the maths with a low sale of one of our midfielders, savings in salary and potential sales we had in U23 instead of loaning everyone something should’ve been possible. After a year like we had some more movement in the midfield would’ve been nice.

 

[s4tch]

Wait did we pay all of his salary last season?

i meant that cagliari didn't fully pay his salary. iirc it was reported that they'll pay around 800k-1m for the loan and some part of his salary. i have to check to be sure.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

rugani is unsellable because he has a long contract, high wages and he's pretty shit too. he had zero offers, that's why he's still here.

yeah, you can thank it to paratici, who gave him two fat contracts, then realized that rugani was shit, then tried and failed to sell him. the damage paratici did is unacceptable, unparalleled and will take years to get rid of.

Rugani received offers, but decided to give up Demiral instead.

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rugani is unsellable because he has a long contract, high wages and he's pretty shit too. he had zero offers, that's why he's still here.

yeah, you can thank it to paratici, who gave him two fat contracts, then realized that rugani was shit, then tried and failed to sell him. the damage paratici did is unacceptable, unparalleled and will take years to get rid of.

such a travesty that Paratici got rid of plenty of the older players with bigger contracts with 0 resale value

 

[s4tch]

Rugani received offers, but decided to give up Demiral instead.

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such a travesty that Paratici got rid of plenty of the older players with bigger contracts with 0 resale value

bs offers, discussed already

also, you can't explain why rugani deserved TWO new contracts and raises within a single year, then found himself on the market

i'm not prepared to go in circles with you for the next 3 years until all the fucked up contracts signed by paratici will expire. just stop defending that fraud, especially when you have zero valid arguments

 

[Badass J Elkann]

bs offers, discussed already

also, you can't explain why rugani deserved TWO new contracts and raises within a single year, then found himself on the market

i'm not prepared to go in circles with you for the next 3 years until all the fucked up contracts signed by paratici will expire. just stop defending that fraud, especially when you have zero valid arguments

BS or not, cut our losses and just run with it.

Zero valid arguments?

Please enlighten me what happened to Higuain, khedira, Costa, Matuidi, Pjanic, and how old they were when they left and how much they were earning? Rugani's wage doesn't even come close, so say he is completely unsellable is untrue, just the fact we let Demiral go out on loan with option to buy proves the incompetence of cherubini, arguably a much better defender than rugani.