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I keep reading different things.. According to THIS:
"The Federation has threatened to dock even more points if any club goes to the civil courts, but FIFA today confirmed they would not punish the FIGC. The situation will be “monitored carefully” by spokesman Andreas Herren and further decisions may be taken, should the circumstances require them."
"The Federation has threatened to dock even more points if any club goes to the civil courts, but FIFA today confirmed they would not punish the FIGC. The situation will be “monitored carefully” by spokesman Andreas Herren and further decisions may be taken, should the circumstances require them."
Moggi goes on the attack
Friday 25 August, 2006
Disgraced former Juventus director Luciano Moggi is back and is not afraid of slating the entire world of Italian football.
The ex-director general was placed at the centre of the Calciopoli probe after his intercepted phone calls were published in the media and was handed a five-year ban by the sporting justice system, but Moggi refutes the idea that he was the only one responsible.
“I will not accept that myself and Antonio Giraudo are considered the only guilty parties in this issue,” said Moggi in a Press Conference in Siena.
“If the verdicts are being gradually reduced and there are no more corrupt parties, that means that we are not guilty of corrupting anybody. You need to prove there has been wrongdoing to accuse someone and in this case there is no proof, only hypotheses,” added Big Luciano.
The former Juve official denied that referee Massimo De Santis ever favoured the Bianconeri and once again asked for proof of the 'Moggi System’ referred to in the scandal.
“The trial has not proved the existence of any effective match-fixing and all the referees have been acquitted, I believe that doesn’t need any further explanation. We have been accused of trying to arrange some matches, but we never received the list of incriminated games.”
Moggi also added that he doesn’t think it was fair to assign the Scudetto to Inter, seeing that Juve earned it on the pitch.
“I hear everyone talk about the Scudetto of honesty, but can we say that a club who fielded players with a false passport is really honest?” he said, referring to the scandal involving Inter player Alvaro Recoba.
“If the title really needed to be reassigned, it should have been given to Roma, who played with a young and entertaining team.”
Moggi will keep on fighting, although his appeal to the TAR tribunal was rejected on Tuesday, and says that fans still stop him in the street to show their support.
“People tell me I am not alone and that is what I also said to the judges: there are 13 million Juve supporters that are watching, they can’t just punish us with no evidence.”
Originally Fiorentina, Lazio and Juventus were demoted and handed points penalties, but after the appeal only the Bianconeri remain in Serie B with a 17-point handicap.
Friday 25 August, 2006
Disgraced former Juventus director Luciano Moggi is back and is not afraid of slating the entire world of Italian football.
The ex-director general was placed at the centre of the Calciopoli probe after his intercepted phone calls were published in the media and was handed a five-year ban by the sporting justice system, but Moggi refutes the idea that he was the only one responsible.
“I will not accept that myself and Antonio Giraudo are considered the only guilty parties in this issue,” said Moggi in a Press Conference in Siena.
“If the verdicts are being gradually reduced and there are no more corrupt parties, that means that we are not guilty of corrupting anybody. You need to prove there has been wrongdoing to accuse someone and in this case there is no proof, only hypotheses,” added Big Luciano.
The former Juve official denied that referee Massimo De Santis ever favoured the Bianconeri and once again asked for proof of the 'Moggi System’ referred to in the scandal.
“The trial has not proved the existence of any effective match-fixing and all the referees have been acquitted, I believe that doesn’t need any further explanation. We have been accused of trying to arrange some matches, but we never received the list of incriminated games.”
Moggi also added that he doesn’t think it was fair to assign the Scudetto to Inter, seeing that Juve earned it on the pitch.
“I hear everyone talk about the Scudetto of honesty, but can we say that a club who fielded players with a false passport is really honest?” he said, referring to the scandal involving Inter player Alvaro Recoba.
“If the title really needed to be reassigned, it should have been given to Roma, who played with a young and entertaining team.”
Moggi will keep on fighting, although his appeal to the TAR tribunal was rejected on Tuesday, and says that fans still stop him in the street to show their support.
“People tell me I am not alone and that is what I also said to the judges: there are 13 million Juve supporters that are watching, they can’t just punish us with no evidence.”
Originally Fiorentina, Lazio and Juventus were demoted and handed points penalties, but after the appeal only the Bianconeri remain in Serie B with a 17-point handicap.
Did I just see Moggi complementing Roma?
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Anyway it seems to be FIFA and UEFA is putting these threats not to prevent Juve taking the case to the court (after all what does Juve loose if Italia can't compete in Euro and other teams get thrown out) but rather to discourage Italian court from giving favorable verdict to Juve.
They won't admit it, but it is almost as blatant as it can get to a blackmailing the justice system; FIFA's action is immoral, and totally unjustifiable.
This is essentially equivalent to bribing the judges, and the only difference is FIFA is doing at a public arena.
I say screw the TAR and lets hear our case in the European Court of Justice, if as Isha mentioned, there isnt any evidence to convict us for the match-fixing scandal. IMO, there is no way whatsover, legal or PR perspective, FIFA can override the decision made by the European Court.
It will be almost as close to comitting a sucide for FIFA.
. Anyway it seems to be FIFA and UEFA is putting these threats not to prevent Juve taking the case to the court (after all what does Juve loose if Italia can't compete in Euro and other teams get thrown out) but rather to discourage Italian court from giving favorable verdict to Juve.
They won't admit it, but it is almost as blatant as it can get to a blackmailing the justice system; FIFA's action is immoral, and totally unjustifiable.
This is essentially equivalent to bribing the judges, and the only difference is FIFA is doing at a public arena.
I say screw the TAR and lets hear our case in the European Court of Justice, if as Isha mentioned, there isnt any evidence to convict us for the match-fixing scandal. IMO, there is no way whatsover, legal or PR perspective, FIFA can override the decision made by the European Court.
It will be almost as close to comitting a sucide for FIFA.
this has turned into one big mess ppl,fifa should have no right in deciding anything about our national team this has nothing 2 do with them,its juventus not italy,but i have always thought fifa was out to get italy and now they have there chance,this makes no sence but i assume nethier has fifa,i have gone on the fourms pleanty of times saying that juve should drop all this appeal and just win there way back until somthing real bad happens and i assume i will sadly be right soon.....
Now we have more criminals lining up against us. The FIGC, who sanctioned every bit of the referee appointment illegality have now been joined by those experts of fixing the World Cup - those heroes of Korea 2002, FIFA! What criminal element is next to join the fight against us? The Mafia or the NCAA?
None. It would result in various clubs taking legal action against FIFA which would see it's conclusion in FIFA's composure being regarded as illegal. The consequences would be far bigger for FIFA than they would be for Italian football. I'd even go as far as saying that formulating the mere threat should already result in legal action, but that's not going to happen.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug26f.html
Juve offer to hold FIGC talks Saturday 26 August, 2006
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Juventus have told the FIGC they are willing to drop their legal action through the civil courts if they can resume negotiations for a return to Serie A.
The club infuriated the Federation and FIFA this week when they announced an appeal to the TAR tribunal in a bid to have their demotion revoked.
Due to the Calciopoli scandal, the Bianconeri found themselves in Serie B with a 17-point handicap – already a large discount on the original 30-point penalty – but they are demanding a return to the top flight or £92m in damages.
The FIGC has reacted by threatening its own legal action in a bid to stop the endless cycle of courts, as the season is set to kick off on September 9 and 10.
“We didn’t expect the Federation to react this way and it seems strange to answer a request for damages with a similar demand that had up until now never even been hinted at,” stated Juventus lawyer Montanaro.
“It’s a shame, as we do not consider ourselves at war with the FIGC. We’re seeking an equal and plausible solution for everyone. We’ll make our rights heard with determination, but without arrogance or pushing the FIGC aside. We’re ready to discuss a potential exchange of viewpoints at any time, as long as our reasons are heard.”
The side was at the centre of the investigation into match-fixing and pressure on referees when phone calls by director general Luciano Moggi (pictured), who has now resigned, were wiretapped by police.
Juventus are angry that they are the only club to be demoted after the Calciopoli trials. Fiorentina and Lazio were also originally dropped down to Serie B, but had their Serie A status restored on appeal.
“We don’t wish to escape the sporting justice system, we just want to see the correct sanctions put in place. We already had two Scudetti revoked, so to continue damaging us this season as well is unwarranted. Our punishment was excessive and totally out of proportion, especially considering the penalties meted out to clubs who didn’t really act all that differently.”
Meanwhile, the second wave of the Calciopoli trial continues, as today Reggina and Arezzo will know the result of their appeal to the Federal Court.
The Amaranto were docked 15 points from the new season among match-fixing allegations, while the Tuscans remained in Serie B with a nine-point penalty. Both clubs are expected to receive discounts on these punishments.
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Juve offer to hold FIGC talks Saturday 26 August, 2006
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Juventus have told the FIGC they are willing to drop their legal action through the civil courts if they can resume negotiations for a return to Serie A.
The club infuriated the Federation and FIFA this week when they announced an appeal to the TAR tribunal in a bid to have their demotion revoked.
Due to the Calciopoli scandal, the Bianconeri found themselves in Serie B with a 17-point handicap – already a large discount on the original 30-point penalty – but they are demanding a return to the top flight or £92m in damages.
The FIGC has reacted by threatening its own legal action in a bid to stop the endless cycle of courts, as the season is set to kick off on September 9 and 10.
“We didn’t expect the Federation to react this way and it seems strange to answer a request for damages with a similar demand that had up until now never even been hinted at,” stated Juventus lawyer Montanaro.
“It’s a shame, as we do not consider ourselves at war with the FIGC. We’re seeking an equal and plausible solution for everyone. We’ll make our rights heard with determination, but without arrogance or pushing the FIGC aside. We’re ready to discuss a potential exchange of viewpoints at any time, as long as our reasons are heard.”
The side was at the centre of the investigation into match-fixing and pressure on referees when phone calls by director general Luciano Moggi (pictured), who has now resigned, were wiretapped by police.
Juventus are angry that they are the only club to be demoted after the Calciopoli trials. Fiorentina and Lazio were also originally dropped down to Serie B, but had their Serie A status restored on appeal.
“We don’t wish to escape the sporting justice system, we just want to see the correct sanctions put in place. We already had two Scudetti revoked, so to continue damaging us this season as well is unwarranted. Our punishment was excessive and totally out of proportion, especially considering the penalties meted out to clubs who didn’t really act all that differently.”
Meanwhile, the second wave of the Calciopoli trial continues, as today Reggina and Arezzo will know the result of their appeal to the Federal Court.
The Amaranto were docked 15 points from the new season among match-fixing allegations, while the Tuscans remained in Serie B with a nine-point penalty. Both clubs are expected to receive discounts on these punishments.
What you think
please discuss
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