Farsopoli(Calciopoli) (43 Viewers)

[sateeh]

i don't want serie b
and i don't want us to give up!!

yeah after all this.If they wanted to give up they should've done that from the begining.

 

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[ZAF3000]

Moggi goes on the attack

Friday 25 August, 2006
Disgraced former Juventus director Luciano Moggi is back and is not afraid of slating the entire world of Italian football.

The ex-director general was placed at the centre of the Calciopoli probe after his intercepted phone calls were published in the media and was handed a five-year ban by the sporting justice system, but Moggi refutes the idea that he was the only one responsible.

“I will not accept that myself and Antonio Giraudo are considered the only guilty parties in this issue,” said Moggi in a Press Conference in Siena.

“If the verdicts are being gradually reduced and there are no more corrupt parties, that means that we are not guilty of corrupting anybody. You need to prove there has been wrongdoing to accuse someone and in this case there is no proof, only hypotheses,” added Big Luciano.

The former Juve official denied that referee Massimo De Santis ever favoured the Bianconeri and once again asked for proof of the ‘Moggi System’ referred to in the scandal.

“The trial has not proved the existence of any effective match-fixing and all the referees have been acquitted, I believe that doesn’t need any further explanation. We have been accused of trying to arrange some matches, but we never received the list of incriminated games.”

Moggi also added that he doesn’t think it was fair to assign the Scudetto to Inter, seeing that Juve earned it on the pitch.

“I hear everyone talk about the Scudetto of honesty, but can we say that a club who fielded players with a false passport is really honest?” he said, referring to the scandal involving Inter player Alvaro Recoba.

“If the title really needed to be reassigned, it should have been given to Roma, who played with a young and entertaining team.”

Moggi will keep on fighting, although his appeal to the TAR tribunal was rejected on Tuesday, and says that fans still stop him in the street to show their support.

“People tell me I am not alone and that is what I also said to the judges: there are 13 million Juve supporters that are watching, they can’t just punish us with no evidence.”

Originally Fiorentina, Lazio and Juventus were demoted and handed points penalties, but after the appeal only the Bianconeri remain in Serie B with a 17-point handicap.

It does not get any clearer.. I've never seen a court penaltizing a deffendent because it ASSUMES that they MIGHT be GUILTY, although ALL PARTICIPATING PARTIES have been ACQUITTED.

 

[ZAF3000]

WTF?? After all this??? Has this news been confirmed?

 

[AbuGadanzieri]

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug27m.html

Juve-FIGC to call truce? Sunday 27 August, 2006

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Juventus have confirmed that they are in negotiations with the Federation to halt their legal battle, which could see them remain in Serie B without a points penalty.

“We are in talks with the FIGC,” announced Bianconeri President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli this evening. “We are ready to negotiate with the CONI Olympic Committee.”


The club had sparked an increasingly vicious legal battle in a bid to have their Serie A status restored following the Calciopoli scandal.


A conciliation meeting failed and they lodged an appeal to the TAR tribunal, asking for £92m in damages if they were forced to remain in Serie B.


The FIGC reacted by threatening their own court case and further sanctions against the Turin giants, but new reports suggest there is a new strategy in place.


It’s believed that Juventus were using the TAR option in order to force the Federation’s hand and step down from their original strict view of the issue.


The Bianconeri’s lawyer had stated during the match-fixing trial that they’d accept Serie B without a handicap, so while Juve may publicly claim they will not stop until their top flight status is restored, their real aim is to have the 17-point penalty wiped out or at least drastically reduced.


This figure is already a 'discount’ on the original Calciopoli verdict of a 30-point handicap.




what you think

please discuss

 

[Vinman]

It does not get any clearer.. I've never seen a court penaltizing a deffendent because it ASSUMES that they MIGHT be GUILTY, although ALL PARTICIPATING PARTIES have been ACQUITTED.

one hundred million percent correct !!!

we are getting the royal screw, and our lawyers better fight for Serie A until the very end !!!

 

[AlexTheGreat]

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug27m.html

Juve-FIGC to call truce? Sunday 27 August, 2006

hard to believe this kind of news, esp. when I noticed the source of this news was romanista

TAR is the only option!!!

 

[ZAF3000]

I really hope that we appeal to TAR. The reason is, I beleive that we have a strong case. I also beleive that the federation needs someone to spank their arses soo bad till they turn so red like monkeys...
We are well known to be an ares spankers.. Why stop now..
I say lets go to TAR and be all we can be... Lets take this war till the real end....

We have been disrespected, financially shocked, depressed and most of all unjusted. I say, lets screw them..

If I had a single doubt on our situation I would have said lets listen to what the federation has to say. BUT now, they are just trying to settle this war down. I say they had their chance at CONI and they missed it. We made it clear that if CONI failed we will go to TAR.

Lets not forget about our requests:
2 scudetti
Serie A
50 million euro

 

[PhRoZeN]

All that drama for nothing. It looks like we dont really know what we want to do or how to do it, we seem like a club owned by people who aint organised. It kind of mirrors the first approach we had in this case where teh Juve lawyers were happy with serie B zero points.

Anyway if serie B it is then the least we should do is get back our trophies. Otherwise curse them all.

 

[Espectro]

Whts all of this "negociating with FIGC" thing!?

I hope this is a ruomor, we deserve Serie A, negociate s·"$t!!

 

[Max]

I really hope that we appeal to TAR. The reason is, I beleive that we have a strong case. I also beleive that the federation needs someone to spank their arses soo bad till they turn so red like monkeys...
We are well known to be an ares spankers.. Why stop now..
I say lets go to TAR and be all we can be... Lets take this war till the real end....

We have been disrespected, financially shocked, depressed and most of all unjusted. I say, lets screw them..

If I had a single doubt on our situation I would have said lets listen to what the federation has to say. BUT now, they are just trying to settle this war down. I say they had their chance at CONI and they missed it. We made it clear that if CONI failed we will go to TAR.

Lets not forget about our requests:
2 scudetti
Serie A
50 million euro

If the best the Juventus legal team can do is keep Juve in Serie B sans point penalty, then I think we should be given last year's Scudetto (the other one is void because that's when the alleged "match fixing" took place) and 150 million euros as compensation for shooing away six very important players (Ibra included).

When is the result of Juventus' appeal going to be known?

 

[d.nico]

I don't like our lawyer. Crap.

 

[Maher]

TAR result is not garunteed , we should accpet Serie B with no points deductions deal IMO

 

[swag]

I think that's been our plan all along, IMO. Though all the clubs that got back in A was definitely a surprise.

 

[Maher]

I think that's been our plan all along, IMO. Though all the clubs that got back in A was definitely a surprise.

yes this is the thing that make all juve fans angry , if all the other teams remained in Serie B , no one would complained

 

[jussiut]

Serie B without points reduction would be very good and probably just the thing Juve's lawyers have been after. I have never been too optimistic about the chance of getting back to Serie A through an appeal even though I find the sentence to be very unfair. Still, it's better to take the -0 points in B and directly promote to Serie A and show everybody that we've paid for our sins than to wage a war against the whole system and possibly FIFA. Even if we got reinstated, people would see that as injustice. Let's play this season in B, maybe we have deserved it and so did the other teams too but what can we do?

What comes to the two scudetti it'd be really hard to give them back to us and not promote us. It would seem that we were the rightful champions (like I think we were) but we would still get punished for something so I don't think FIGC is going to give in in this matter. It sucks very bad but in the end we have all accepted that and playing in Serie B once so let's not get our hopes up.

The biggest injustice here is the fact that nobody else got demoted. Juventus had to pay because of the public opinion no matter how weak the evidence. And more, why haven't I seen a list of fixed matches? Why was only two referees punished? How Juve could've run this system without the knowledge and opposition from Milan, Inter and Roma? I believe there was an immoral and biased system towards big clubs in place and the smaller teams used it for their advantage also when it didn't cross the bigger clubs' interests. The saddest thing is that the other clubs haven't done any cleaning up and in a few years everything will be the same. When it's out of sight it's out of mind.

 

[Lilianna]

TAR result is not garunteed , we should accpet Serie B with no points deductions deal IMO

i'd accept it with our 2 scudetti back.
especially the one given to intel,oh lord i would be so happy,i would forget for a moment that we're playing in serie b!!:eyebrows:

 

[Maher]

forget about the 2 scudettos , it is impossible to get them now , we have to accept the reality and try to deal with it

 

[sateeh]

we accepted serie B from the begining, but the management raised our hopes up time and time again.
The fact that we have to play in serie B without our scudettos shouldnt be in consideration.

Anyway this doesnt look like a fairy tale ending.Just like espectro's old signature if i remember correctly.

 

[bianconero]

Hello,

"Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble."

:skull:

 

[Lilianna]

forget about the 2 scudettos , it is impossible to get them now , we have to accept the reality and try to deal with it

it seems we have some difficulties though....