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PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
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This is what ive pulled out of everblue's website.

While Juve president, Giovanni Cobolli Gigli is trying to strike a deal with Coni and FIGC, a very clear message has arrived from the government: "forget about the Serie A". Giovanni Lolli, from the 'Ministero delle Politiche Giovanili e Attività sportive' has declared that it is not the government's role to be a mediator, and he insists that Juventus should not expect to be re-admitted to play in the Serie A.
 

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Juve_fanatic

Second coolest member!
Apr 5, 2006
7,618
PhRoZeN said:
This is what ive pulled out of everblue's website.

While Juve president, Giovanni Cobolli Gigli is trying to strike a deal with Coni and FIGC, a very clear message has arrived from the government: "forget about the Serie A". Giovanni Lolli, from the 'Ministero delle Politiche Giovanili e Attività sportive' has declared that it is not the government's role to be a mediator, and he insists that Juventus should not expect to be re-admitted to play in the Serie A.
May he forget how to take a piss!! :ferocious
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
Milan conciliation appeal fails
Tuesday 29 August, 2006
The conciliation meeting between the FIGC and Milan failed on Tuesday, as the club attempts to see their point deduction for this season reduced.

The Rossoneri were handed an eight-point penalty for the 2006-07 Serie A for their involvement in the Calciopoli scandal.

Milan presented their case in front of the CONI Conciliation Court and will now go the CONI arbitration, just as Lazio decided to do last week.

“The club and the FIGC were not able to conciliate, but the parties have agreed on the possibility of trying arbitration,” read an official statement.

In the meanwhile, the one-match home ban and the 100,000 Euros fine that were also handed to Milan have been suspended until the next hearing.

Leandro Cantamessa, one of the club’s lawyers, was hoping in a better outcome although he was not totally disappointed.

“We would have preferred to conciliate today, but we are moderately satisfied of the fact that the home ban was suspended,” said Cantamessa.

“We will continue our fight within arbitration. These are the rules of the game and Milan play by the rules.

“We hope the point deduction will be reduced, but if that were not the case we will accept the decision.”

Cantamessa has therefore ruled out the possibility that his club could turn to the civil justice system and appeal to the Lazio Tar.
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freaking Puffs:p
 

jussiut

Junior Member
Feb 22, 2005
431
Vinman said:
bad statement there, if you asked me...

nothing was proven on ANY of the accused parties !!!
PLEASE, can you please accept the reality? Are you still claiming that we haven't done anything wrong? I know that this ruling is unfair because Juve was definately not alone in all of this but please stop this hypocritical nonsense.

I want you to say "we influenced refereeing appointments in Serie A". If you can't say that then you're disillusional and that's sad because you have always been one of the more knowledgeable and articulative posters here.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,390
jussiut said:
PLEASE, can you please accept the reality? Are you still claiming that we haven't done anything wrong? I know that this ruling is unfair because Juve was definately not alone in all of this but please stop this hypocritical nonsense.

I want you to say "we influenced refereeing appointments in Serie A". If you can't say that then you're disillusional and that's sad because you have always been one of the more knowledgeable and articulative posters here.
No, he's not saying that we are not guilty, he's saying that others were guilty with the same way but only Juventus were demoted.
 

jussiut

Junior Member
Feb 22, 2005
431
Jeeks said:
No, he's not saying that we are not guilty, he's saying that others were guilty with the same way but only Juventus were demoted.
I said that too. Vinnie said that "it was bad to admit we're guilty" and that "nothing has been proved". To me this seems that he denies we've done anything. I could be wrong though.
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
jussiut said:
PLEASE, can you please accept the reality? Are you still claiming that we haven't done anything wrong? I know that this ruling is unfair because Juve was definately not alone in all of this but please stop this hypocritical nonsense.

I want you to say "we influenced refereeing appointments in Serie A". If you can't say that then you're disillusional and that's sad because you have always been one of the more knowledgeable and articulative posters here.
Vinnie is right, why should we bow down and take the heat while the others walk of free.FIGC accused Juve of tarnishing the image of Italy!!!Imagine Juve were not the only indicted party but they Only accuse this club out of hatred.

It should be the other way around mate, YES we did some wrongdoings but the facts prove that we shouldn't have got this severe punishments.

Actually the proven thing from the trial is that there "May " have been wrongdoings but no influence.They didnt include the "alleged" games in the trial, so they dont know if there was actual match fixing involved.
 

jussiut

Junior Member
Feb 22, 2005
431
sateeh said:
Vinnie is right, why should we bow down and take the heat while the others walk of free.FIGC accused Juve of tarnishing the image of Italy!!!Imagine Juve were not the only indicted party but they Only accuse this club out of hatred.

It should be the other way around mate, YES we did some wrongdoings but the facts prove that we shouldn't have got this severe punishments.

Actually the proven thing from the trial is that there "May " have been wrongdoings but no influence.They didnt include the "alleged" games in the trial, so they dont know if there was actual match fixing involved.
That's all true what you said but I have a different point of view. YES we did some wrongdoing and so did the others and therefore all the teams involved should be demoted. That didn't happen of course and I'm pissed about that but the point I was trying to make was that we won't consider all of this as some sort of a conspiracy against us and that we didn't do anything. Inter was most likely not innocent either and I agree with Vinnie on that one.

Those words "we shouldn't admit we're guilty" just troubled me a little because I'm glad that at least we are now "morally clear". We should all know that we have little to no chance of getting back to A so I see Gigli's words as brave and courageous. We are not like Milan who tries to deny everything with Berlusconi's influence or Inter who are the king of hypocrisy with its "honest Scudetto" and Guido Rossis.
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
jussiut said:
That's all true what you said but I have a different point of view. YES we did some wrongdoing and so did the others and therefore all the teams involved should be demoted. That didn't happen of course and I'm pissed about that but the point I was trying to make was that we won't consider all of this as some sort of a conspiracy against us and that we didn't do anything. Inter was most likely not innocent either and I agree with Vinnie on that one.

Those words "we shouldn't admit we're guilty" just troubled me a little because I'm glad that at least we are now "morally clear". We should all know that we have little to no chance of getting back to A so I see Gigli's words as brave and courageous. We are not like Milan who tries to deny everything with Berlusconi's influence or Inter who are the king of hypocrisy with its "honest Scudetto" and Guido Rossis.
Nobody said we r clean, but what impression does this trial give you ?That Juve r the only guilty party in this trial.Milan were guilty but were handed Europe FFS!!!

So if u agree that we were treated unfairly, why dont we ask for fairness?Obviously they wont demote the others,so its only right that we r get reinstated.

We r the only team that suffered this much damage.And we r the only team that had huge reforms in its own structure before this trial even started.But we should be the scapegoat as well ?I dont agree that this should happen.I would sleep easily if i know that the management fought hard even if there is no use from it.But at least they tried, just like we ask the players on the field to honor the club we just ask the same from the management.
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
10,321
sateeh said:
Nobody said we r clean, but what impression does this trial give you ?That Juve r the only guilty party in this trial.Milan were guilty but were handed Europe FFS!!!

So if u agree that we were treated unfairly, why dont we ask for fairness?Obviously they wont demote the others,so its only right that we r get reinstated.

We r the only team that suffered this much damage.And we r the only team that had huge reforms in its own structure before this trial even started.But we should be the scapegoat as well ?I dont agree that this should happen.I would sleep easily if i know that the management fought hard even if there is no use from it.But at least they tried, just like we ask the players on the field to honor the club we just ask the same from the management.
Probably what I'm thinkg as well. but I don't think I will watch Italian football for a while. Our unfair treatment does leave a bad taste in my mouth
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
jussiut said:
I said that too. Vinnie said that "it was bad to admit we're guilty" and that "nothing has been proved". To me this seems that he denies we've done anything. I could be wrong though.
right or wrong, what we did is no different than what any of the other clubs did...
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
jussiut said:
I said that too. Vinnie said that "it was bad to admit we're guilty" and that "nothing has been proved". To me this seems that he denies we've done anything. I could be wrong though.
right or wrong, what we did is no different than what any of the other clubs did...


JuvenYang, my fellow Buffalonian posted this in another thread, and its spot on !!


The Times August 28, 2006

Is football still above the law?
By Gabriele Marcotti
The decision by Juventus to sue the Italian FA in the civil courts may change the governance game for good
WHAT DOES A FOOTBALL CLUB DO? What is its raison d’être? Is it to play matches in leagues and cup competitions, or is it to provide entertainment, attract sponsorship and offer jobs, in other words to exist as a legitimate business? It is not only a philosophical question. It is a fundamental issue that needs to be resolved before football’s authorities and the law are on a collision course again, just as they were over the Bosman ruling ten years ago.

Football is governed by football law, which is administered by national football associations, who, in turn, must answer to Fifa. Businesses, like individuals, are governed by civil law, which is administered by the courts, who, on some issues, must answer to the European Court of Justice.

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What happens when the two mix? Who has the upper hand? Fifa is clear on this. Only the FAs can determine footballing matters and they must do so in an independent manner, free from outside interference, whether political or legal. That is why, on July 3, Fifa suspended the Greek FA’s membership of world football’s governing body after the Greek Government refused to pass a law that guaranteed that all football matters could be decided only by the Greek FA.

Few took notice at the time — there was the small matter of the World Cup, after all — but it was a hefty punishment. Fifa barred Greece and Greek teams from competing in all international competitions and banned Greek clubs from buying players from abroad. It was the football equivalent of Death Row and, nine days later, after a rapid climbdown by the Greek Government, Fifa lifted the suspension.

Fifa’s argument is that it is a voluntary association of member FAs, just as the member FAs are a voluntary association of member clubs. No one is forced to join, but if an association wants to stay in, it has to abide by the rules. And rule No 1 is effectively: whatever happens in the family stays in the family. There is no law except for football law.

This kind of set-up might have worked well when football clubs were just that: clubs. Everyone was an amateur and winning came second to having a good time while chasing a ball up and down the pitch. Now, given recent events in Italy, it is proving to be severely outdated.

Juventus, who were caught up in Italy’s latest match-fixing scandal, are unhappy with the Italian FA’s punishment. They have been stripped of two titles, relegated to Serie B and were forced to start the 2006-07 season with minus 17 points. Having exhausted all possible levels of sporting appeals, last week they took their case to the civil courts, reportedly asking them to overturn the domestic FA ’s sentence, while seeking damages of about £88 million.

Apart from the fact that, if Juventus were awarded such a large sum in damages, it would probably bankrupt the Italian FA, the domestic governing body would end up between a rock and a hard place if the civil courts upheld the Turin club’s appeal.

If it recognises the court’s authority and abides by its verdict, its membership of Fifa would be suspended or even revoked (as a stern letter from Zurich intimated). But, if it does not follow the verdict, it would be held in contempt of court and be breaking the law.

And the disturbing and unpleasant truth is that Juventus have a mighty strong case. On the one hand, the evidence that they attempted to influence referees is overwhelming. Phone transcripts revealed that Luciano Moggi, the club’s general manager, made hundreds of calls to various FA officials, lobbying hard for favours, including the appointment of certain referees. From a sporting perspective, there is little question that this is a serious ethical breach, violating the most basic principles of sportsmanship and fair play. The problem is that, from the perspective of civil law, you can make a persuasive argument that what Juventus did is not a crime and therefore the punishment meted out by the Italian FA is excessive. There is no evidence of money changing hands, no evidence of quid pro quo favours, no hard evidence that anyone acted upon Moggi’s requests.

“What we were doing was lobbying for support, nothing more, nothing less,” Moggi said last week. In fact, Juventus argue, that is exactly what they were doing: lobbying. In many Western democracies (including the United States), big corporations pay lobbyists millions to cajole and persuade politicians into passing legislation that favours their interests. In some cases, those same lobbyists can legally pay large sums to fund a politician’s re-election campaign.

Juventus stopped short of that. They did not pay anybody off. They simply lobbied high- ranking FA officials — football’s equivalent of government Ministers — so that they would keep an eye out for their interests. Is that so different from what other big corporations do? And that is what Juventus are. They are listed on the Italian Stock Exchange, have an annual turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds and employ several hundred people. They are, to all intents and purposes, a business. At least when it comes to this court case.

In short, what they did may have been wrong in the sporting world, but in the corporate world it was just business as usual. That is the crux of the issue.

Fifa’s structure and regulations are made for recreational clubs, not businesses. Its whole premise — an international body that cannot be sued, does not recognise the authority of the courts or of elected officials and that punishes those member FAs that do — is at odds with what football has become.

Juventus may or may not be the test case that brings it all crashing down, but sooner or later something has to give.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...331320,00.html
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
9,939
It really pisses me off when these blowhards say that Juve have tarnished the image of Italy. Like the Mafia, the Tangentopoli, and the continuing criminal enterprise of Silvio Berlusconi left Italy with such a gleaming image around the world.

You know what tarnishes the image? A system of Revenge instead of a system of fairness and justice. This, and the fact that our "Italian" Mona Lisa is hanging in a French museum and the government is doing sweet fuck all to bring it back home.
 

AbuGadanzieri

Senior Member
Jan 8, 2006
1,465
This is very important

we need translation for this please Isha Mark and Tifoso lou help us

i think this news say that catania wnet to tar in 2003 and they won and they put them back up and didnt demoted them

and the fifa didnt make any problem to catania so why they will make problems to juve

what you think

please translate


L’AVVOCATO PARLA IL LEGALE CHE DIFESE IL CATANIA NEL 2003, RIPORTANDOLO IN B
Scuderi: non ci sono dubbi, il Tar darà la A ai bianconeri
29/8/2006
di Guglielmo Buccheri




Il ricorso al Tar presentato dalla Juventus
Speciale Crisi Calcio
QUI JUVE
ROMA. Quando si parla di Tar, torna alla mente il caso Catania. Estate 2003, etnei riammessi d’ufficio in B dal Tribunale amministrativo e campionato cadetto a 24 squadre

Avvocato Ignazio Scuderi, lei vinse la sua battaglia come difensore del Catania mentre la Figc perse e nacque cosى la legge «stoppa-Tar», che la Juventus si prepara a travalicare. Sposerebbe la causa bianconera?
«Senza esitazione. Se fossi uno dei legali della società juventina non avrei alcun dubbio a rivolgermi al Tar del Lazio. Lo farei accompagnato dalla convinzione di ottenere quello che oggi chiedono gli avvocati della Juventus».

Perché tanta sicurezza?
«In primo luogo perché nessuno puٍ impedirmi di rivolgermi al giudice dello Stato. E poi, perché fra il caso Catania e Calciopoli non mancano le analogie».

La Juventus oggi come il Catania tre anni fa. E’ cosى, dunque?
«Allora presentammo ricorso al Tar motivando la nostra richiesta alla luce dell’esistenza di un problema di competenze: la Corte Federale aveva capovolto una sentenza della Caf in una materia, quella disciplinare, su cui non poteva decidere. Per la Juventus la situazione è la stessa, visto che il processo di primo grado doveva essere svolto davanti alla Disciplinare di Milano e non alla Caf. E non parlatemi dei paletti fissati con la legge 280 del 2003. Quel provvedimento in casi del genere si puٍ travalicare».

Ma fra i grandi imputati di Calciopoli c’erano anche dirigenti federali, motivo per cui il primo grado si è svolto a Roma per il principio dell’attrazione.
«L’attrazione è di natura eccezionale e quindi non suscettibile di un’interpretazione estensiva. Andavano fatti due processi, quello alla Juve presso la Disciplinare. Il Tar non entra nel merito, ma qua il punto è la giurisdizione: la decisione di giudicare ammissibile il ricorso presentato da Moggi e Giraudo è un punto non indifferente a favore della Juventus. E questo la Figc lo sa».

Come ha interpretato le minacce del gran capo della Fifa, Joseph Blatter?
«Se Blatter arrivasse a sanzioni tipo la radiazione dall’Europa per i club o la nostra Federazione, qualsiasi giudice comunitario o nazionale accoglierebbe l’immediato ricorso delle società o della stessa Figc. E sempre per il principio costituzionale che permette a chiunque di rivolgersi al giudice dello Stato».

Che finale si aspetta da questa interminabile storia?
«Prevedo una serie A allargata, comprendente anche la Juventus. Il Tar darà la sospensiva e sarà tutto da rifare».


http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmsSezioni/quijuve/200608articoli/3379girata.asp
 

serfaraaz

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2005
1,912
AbuGadanzieri said:
This is very important

we need translation for this please Isha Mark and Tifoso lou help us

i think this news say that catania wnet to tar in 2003 and they won and they put them back up and didnt demoted them

and the fifa didnt make any problem to catania so why they will make problems to juve

what you think

please translate


L’AVVOCATO PARLA IL LEGALE CHE DIFESE IL CATANIA NEL 2003, RIPORTANDOLO IN B
Scuderi: non ci sono dubbi, il Tar darà la A ai bianconeri
29/8/2006
di Guglielmo Buccheri




Il ricorso al Tar presentato dalla Juventus
Speciale Crisi Calcio
QUI JUVE
ROMA. Quando si parla di Tar, torna alla mente il caso Catania. Estate 2003, etnei riammessi d’ufficio in B dal Tribunale amministrativo e campionato cadetto a 24 squadre

Avvocato Ignazio Scuderi, lei vinse la sua battaglia come difensore del Catania mentre la Figc perse e nacque cosى la legge «stoppa-Tar», che la Juventus si prepara a travalicare. Sposerebbe la causa bianconera?
«Senza esitazione. Se fossi uno dei legali della società juventina non avrei alcun dubbio a rivolgermi al Tar del Lazio. Lo farei accompagnato dalla convinzione di ottenere quello che oggi chiedono gli avvocati della Juventus».

Perché tanta sicurezza?
«In primo luogo perché nessuno puٍ impedirmi di rivolgermi al giudice dello Stato. E poi, perché fra il caso Catania e Calciopoli non mancano le analogie».

La Juventus oggi come il Catania tre anni fa. E’ cosى, dunque?
«Allora presentammo ricorso al Tar motivando la nostra richiesta alla luce dell’esistenza di un problema di competenze: la Corte Federale aveva capovolto una sentenza della Caf in una materia, quella disciplinare, su cui non poteva decidere. Per la Juventus la situazione è la stessa, visto che il processo di primo grado doveva essere svolto davanti alla Disciplinare di Milano e non alla Caf. E non parlatemi dei paletti fissati con la legge 280 del 2003. Quel provvedimento in casi del genere si puٍ travalicare».

Ma fra i grandi imputati di Calciopoli c’erano anche dirigenti federali, motivo per cui il primo grado si è svolto a Roma per il principio dell’attrazione.
«L’attrazione è di natura eccezionale e quindi non suscettibile di un’interpretazione estensiva. Andavano fatti due processi, quello alla Juve presso la Disciplinare. Il Tar non entra nel merito, ma qua il punto è la giurisdizione: la decisione di giudicare ammissibile il ricorso presentato da Moggi e Giraudo è un punto non indifferente a favore della Juventus. E questo la Figc lo sa».

Come ha interpretato le minacce del gran capo della Fifa, Joseph Blatter?
«Se Blatter arrivasse a sanzioni tipo la radiazione dall’Europa per i club o la nostra Federazione, qualsiasi giudice comunitario o nazionale accoglierebbe l’immediato ricorso delle società o della stessa Figc. E sempre per il principio costituzionale che permette a chiunque di rivolgersi al giudice dello Stato».

Che finale si aspetta da questa interminabile storia?
«Prevedo una serie A allargata, comprendente anche la Juventus. Il Tar darà la sospensiva e sarà tutto da rifare».


http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmsSezioni/quijuve/200608articoli/3379girata.asp
how canu compare catania with juve:eyebrows:
 

jussiut

Junior Member
Feb 22, 2005
431
You posted a good article Vinman. I see where you're coming from more now. The true disgrace in this matter is that we're the ones to pay because of "the public opinion". The more I think about this, the more it disgusts me.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
jussiut said:
You posted a good article Vinman. I see where you're coming from more now. The true disgrace in this matter is that we're the ones to pay because of "the public opinion". The more I think about this, the more it disgusts me.

thats what I am so fired up about....there is a bigger scandal going on right now !!
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
AbuGadanzieri said:
This is very important

we need translation for this please Isha Mark and Tifoso lou help us

i think this news say that catania wnet to tar in 2003 and they won and they put them back up and didnt demoted them

and the fifa didnt make any problem to catania so why they will make problems to juve

what you think

please translate


L’AVVOCATO PARLA IL LEGALE CHE DIFESE IL CATANIA NEL 2003, RIPORTANDOLO IN B
Scuderi: non ci sono dubbi, il Tar darà la A ai bianconeri
29/8/2006
di Guglielmo Buccheri




Il ricorso al Tar presentato dalla Juventus
Speciale Crisi Calcio
QUI JUVE
ROMA. Quando si parla di Tar, torna alla mente il caso Catania. Estate 2003, etnei riammessi d’ufficio in B dal Tribunale amministrativo e campionato cadetto a 24 squadre

Avvocato Ignazio Scuderi, lei vinse la sua battaglia come difensore del Catania mentre la Figc perse e nacque cosى la legge «stoppa-Tar», che la Juventus si prepara a travalicare. Sposerebbe la causa bianconera?
«Senza esitazione. Se fossi uno dei legali della società juventina non avrei alcun dubbio a rivolgermi al Tar del Lazio. Lo farei accompagnato dalla convinzione di ottenere quello che oggi chiedono gli avvocati della Juventus».

Perché tanta sicurezza?
«In primo luogo perché nessuno puٍ impedirmi di rivolgermi al giudice dello Stato. E poi, perché fra il caso Catania e Calciopoli non mancano le analogie».

La Juventus oggi come il Catania tre anni fa. E’ cosى, dunque?
«Allora presentammo ricorso al Tar motivando la nostra richiesta alla luce dell’esistenza di un problema di competenze: la Corte Federale aveva capovolto una sentenza della Caf in una materia, quella disciplinare, su cui non poteva decidere. Per la Juventus la situazione è la stessa, visto che il processo di primo grado doveva essere svolto davanti alla Disciplinare di Milano e non alla Caf. E non parlatemi dei paletti fissati con la legge 280 del 2003. Quel provvedimento in casi del genere si puٍ travalicare».

Ma fra i grandi imputati di Calciopoli c’erano anche dirigenti federali, motivo per cui il primo grado si è svolto a Roma per il principio dell’attrazione.
«L’attrazione è di natura eccezionale e quindi non suscettibile di un’interpretazione estensiva. Andavano fatti due processi, quello alla Juve presso la Disciplinare. Il Tar non entra nel merito, ma qua il punto è la giurisdizione: la decisione di giudicare ammissibile il ricorso presentato da Moggi e Giraudo è un punto non indifferente a favore della Juventus. E questo la Figc lo sa».

Come ha interpretato le minacce del gran capo della Fifa, Joseph Blatter?
«Se Blatter arrivasse a sanzioni tipo la radiazione dall’Europa per i club o la nostra Federazione, qualsiasi giudice comunitario o nazionale accoglierebbe l’immediato ricorso delle società o della stessa Figc. E sempre per il principio costituzionale che permette a chiunque di rivolgersi al giudice dello Stato».

Che finale si aspetta da questa interminabile storia?
«Prevedo una serie A allargata, comprendente anche la Juventus. Il Tar darà la sospensiva e sarà tutto da rifare».


http://www.lastampa.it/sport/cmsSezioni/quijuve/200608articoli/3379girata.asp

This says that he (the lawyer who defended and got Catania off in 2003) believes that Juve, too, should have the sentence voided, and return to A

The important parts:


Sposerebbe la causa bianconera?
«Senza esitazione. Se fossi uno dei legali della società juventina non avrei alcun dubbio a rivolgermi al Tar del Lazio. Lo farei accompagnato dalla convinzione di ottenere quello che oggi chiedono gli avvocati della Juventus».

Would you take Juve's case? Without hesitation. If I were a Juve lawyer, I would have no doubt about going to TAR. I would ask the same as the Juve lawyers (Lou: A and the scudi)

Perché tanta sicurezza?
«In primo luogo perché nessuno puٍ impedirmi di rivolgermi al giudice dello Stato. E poi, perché fra il caso Catania e Calciopoli non mancano le analogie».

Why so sure?
First, because no one can block Juve from going to state justice, and because Catania and Calcipoli have similarities.

Che finale si aspetta da questa interminabile storia?
«Prevedo una serie A allargata, comprendente anche la Juventus. Il Tar darà la sospensiva e sarà tutto da rifare».

What do you expect in the end?

I see an enlarged Serie A, containing Juve, too. TAR will void the sentence, and it will have to be re-done.


Lou's note: while I agree 100%, let's not lose sight of the fact that this is his opinion
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
Tifoso Lou said:
This says that he (the lawyer who defended and got Catania off in 2003) believes that Juve, too, should have the sentence voided, and return to A

The important parts:


Sposerebbe la causa bianconera?
«Senza esitazione. Se fossi uno dei legali della società juventina non avrei alcun dubbio a rivolgermi al Tar del Lazio. Lo farei accompagnato dalla convinzione di ottenere quello che oggi chiedono gli avvocati della Juventus».

Would you take Juve's case? Without hesitation. If I were a Juve lawyer, I would have no doubt about going to TAR. I would ask the same as the Juve lawyers (Lou: A and the scudi)

Perché tanta sicurezza?
«In primo luogo perché nessuno puٍ impedirmi di rivolgermi al giudice dello Stato. E poi, perché fra il caso Catania e Calciopoli non mancano le analogie».

Why so sure?
First, because no one can block Juve from going to state justice, and because Catania and Calcipoli have similarities.

Che finale si aspetta da questa interminabile storia?
«Prevedo una serie A allargata, comprendente anche la Juventus. Il Tar darà la sospensiva e sarà tutto da rifare».

What do you expect in the end?

I see an enlarged Serie A, containing Juve, too. TAR will void the sentence, and it will have to be re-done.


Lou's note: while I agree 100%, let's not lose sight of the fact that this is his opinion
I'll take any positive opinions at this point !!:cool: :D
 
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