Fabio Quagliarella (66 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

Good times

Even the superior Di Vaio and Miccolli saw a lot of the bench @ Juve

Superior Di Vaio and Miccoli

Matri has fared much better than either of them at this club.

 

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[Bianconero81]

They are better players though. Over the course of their careers, they have accomplished more

 

[Klin]

Over the course of their careers, they have accomplished more

Considering one is 33 and the other is 36, it's no wonder really.

 

[baggio]

Comparing Matri and Quag to Ravanelli and Vialli is blasphemy. The latter two are club legends, and could actually score goals

Matri and Quag both lack consistency; I don't dislike them. I just don't think they are good enough, and if there is one area where we will and should be making substantial changes, it's the attack.

I don't believe that an attack of Boayke, Sanchez, Llorente, Vucinic, and Gio is unbalanced at all. I also feel that with Conte's rotation policy, and sufficient games, they are all going to get enough playing time. I'm sure Conte would prefer having a selection headache when it comes to his strikers, as opposed to deciding on who not to choose/play.

B, you are forgetting that some of the striker probs Conte is seemingly facing are self inflicted. Just because Matri and Quag are on the bench, doesn't mean they are not good enough to be starting for the club. Seeing the way this team is built from the ground up, it is players like those two that make it such a compact and complete unit.

The point being that Matri couldve changed a lot of perceptions people have off him if he wasnt inexplicably benched last season for the more inferior Borriello. A mistake that you have also acknowledged in the past. I fail to understand how he is considered not food enough when he has hardly even featured for the club. Give him the run that Borriello had last season, or what Giocinco has enjoyed this season, despite not even being convincing at times. And you'd find that Matri is a decent quality striker. It's very wrong to write someone off when honestly they are on the bench for no fault of theirs.

The same thing happened to Quag last season. He was off a horrible injury and people had written him off. Look at him this season. But again, despite his very impressive strike rate he sits on the bench. Give him a full season from this point, and give me this argument of him not being good enough if he fails then. But this argument hardly holds any water when he is on the bench despite being our top scoring forward, in a team where both the opening forwards have had more game time and continuity than him.

Let's be fair to players. Just because some don't generate or come with the media hype that some of us are used to, when labelling a player good enough or not, doesn't mean they don't suit the team's needs or help the team in a way that can be considered productive. Matri and Quag fall in that category.

The most successful teams are always the most well balanced ones.

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Sell both to raise funds for a top striker.

Then bring back immobile.

Problem solved.

If we were in such a scenario, then yes. But to me, we don't need to sell Matri or Quag to get a striker. The top striker was due before them and after them being part of the team. I rather have the top striker plus our four strikers which is far more balanced than selling two of them getting a top striker and immobile/Boakye. When you're playing at the pace we are, in three competitions, players like Matri and Quag are huge assets to the team, with their work ethic and experience.


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Can't compare Quag and Matri attitudes. Although I love Quag more, Matri doesn't cause asmuch trouble and doesn't think he's Baggio.

If that were true, Conte wouldve buzzed him off by now. Do you have any evidence of the same, or are we going back to the Milan game when he muttered under his breath/jacket?

 

[Bianconero81]

Baggio Bro. I totally understand where you are coming from. While I agree that a balanced team is important, and that we need players who won't moan and complain when benched, I also don't feel we need Matri or Quag (perhaps one is enough), and I am also quite sure if we had a strike force of Sanchez, Gio, Vucinic, Llorente, and Boayke Conte would be able to manage them and provide each one with sufficient playing time.

Remember when we had Del Piero, Mutu, Zlatan, and Trez in the same squad? Or when we had Del Piero, Boksic, and Vieri? Del Piero, Trez, Inzaghi, and Kovacevic? All of those guys are/were quality players, players of a much higher caliber than both Quag and Matri, yet the squad was still balanced and I hardly recall there ever being problems.

 

[baggio]

Course i remember the players of that level and quality. But you must also see how differently those teams were structured from this one. And when you're comparing those forward line ups then I'm afraid even Vucinic and Gio wouldn't befit the standard either.

If we keep the past in mind, then I think only a forward line up featuring the likes of Zlatan, Benzema, RVP and Izco would measure up to be honest. I just feel in the overall scheme of things, this team does not have the individual world class quality, save Pirlo. What it has instead is a unit like determination that rubs off on everyone that steps on the field to play a certain brand of football that makes it not only good to watch but result oriented too.

 

[LiquidPLP]

I think Quag is good enough to be in this Juve team. We should keep him as he's a bit of a hybrid between ss and cf. Matri is the one that will have to leave if we get Llorente. They're too similar and Matri doesn't offer enough of what Conte expects. This is why we're going to bring Llorente. I also expect us to sign one more forward in the summer so we will be like:
Vucinic, Giovinco, Quag, Llorente, X; where the 'X' is another forward that we'll probably get. It might be Jovetic, Sanchez or some youngster like Immobile or Boakye.

From what I've noticed Conte likes to have different types of forwards, that's why we brought Borriello and then Bendtner. It's obvious Conte wants to have that strong forward you can play long balls onto and it'll be Llorente for that role. So imo Quag is safe while we'll probably offload Matri in the summer. I also think we'll go for Jovetic/Sanchez in the summer as it'll bring in another dimension to our attack.

 

[Hust]

Course i remember the players of that level and quality. But you must also see how differently those teams were structured from this one. And when you're comparing those forward line ups then I'm afraid even Vucinic and Gio wouldn't befit the standard either.

If we keep the past in mind, then I think only a forward line up featuring the likes of Zlatan, Benzema, RVP and Izco would measure up to be honest. I just feel in the overall scheme of things, this team does not have the individual world class quality, save Pirlo. What it has instead is a unit like determination that rubs off on everyone that steps on the field to play a certain brand of football that makes it not only good to watch but result oriented too.

Though I agree here, isn't an excuse to keep average players when we should be aiming higher. When we let Trez go we took a massive step in the wrong direction in the attack.

Amauri 22.5m. Then it got even worse. Iaquinta stayed. We sign Luca Toni, then Boriello. We splurged what 12-15m on a 10 goal a year striker in Matri...6-8m for Quag? A lot of things should have been avoided but this club had really bad management until the current boys stepped in. Still, we have been frugal yet decisive in the markets. Now is the time to bring some magic into our starting 11. DP style magic. A game changer, someone that brings the crowd to the edge of their seat kind of player. We have such an amazing lineup now and depth its time to make that one big investment. We need it. Our dominance for some time will be sealed once we bring that top player that can bang in 18+ goals. Even though we won the league last year, look how many wins Zlatan pulled for Milan. Imagine a player like that here (again).

Quag and Matri are nice guys and all, but its really time to let them go or at least one. The money will come in handy both in their sale(s) or saving on their wage(s).

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:edit: I know Marotta signed Matri/Quag, not the old management. Point I tried to make there was what happened before and the two buys of matri/quag were not bad at the time all things considered. Now its time to move on, however.

 

[Bianconero81]

Course i remember the players of that level and quality. But you must also see how differently those teams were structured from this one. And when you're comparing those forward line ups then I'm afraid even Vucinic and Gio wouldn't befit the standard either.

If we keep the past in mind, then I think only a forward line up featuring the likes of Zlatan, Benzema, RVP and Izco would measure up to be honest. I just feel in the overall scheme of things, this team does not have the individual world class quality, save Pirlo. What it has instead is a unit like determination that rubs off on everyone that steps on the field to play a certain brand of football that makes it not only good to watch but result oriented too.

Overkill

All I'm saying is Jovetic/Sanchez, Llorente, Giovinco, Vucinic, and Boayke would be a substantial upgrade on what we have, and is not beyond the realms of possibility.

 

[Nzoric]

Lol, Matri was 18m and Quags was 16m.

@Klinsmann

 

[baggio]

@Klinsmann

Thing is Matri and Quag were never any better or worse signings then as they are today. It is Marrotta who loaned out Treseguet, and sold Diego. And then brought in Quag, Luca Toni and Matri. We overpaid for both of them, and neither of them will sell for their actual valuation in today's mercato because everyone knows Juve would just be getting rid of them to make way for a bigger player.

I'm all on board for a game changing player. I've been screaming myself hoarse through three mercatos, being let down by the circumstances and Marrotta. But this discussion would only be relevant if Quag and Matri could garner a 15m sale individually or if they had 5m salaries. At 2m a season and 7-8m valuation, you'd reckon they're better value in the team than out of it. Take Quag for example. 9 goals in the least minutes of the starting forwards. A 2.5 m salary and perhaps a 7-8m valuation on the market. What good would it be selling a player like that? You're better off keeping him. The same, in effect applies to Matri. It's just that the latter has not had enough game time to prove he's more useful to the team than not. It's worth thinking along these lines, because the bigger picture in reality as has been proven by Marrotta over three mercatos relies a lot on the numbers at hand.

 

[Hust]

Lol, Matri was 18m and Quags was 16m.

@Klinsmann

even worse

 

[Nzoric]

 

[Bianconero81]

Quag @ 16? I seem to remember he was a 10-11 Million signing

 

[Nzoric]

Quag @ 16? I seem to remember he was a 10-11 Million signing

No, 8m for the loan + obligation to buy for 8m next summer.

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[Bianconero81]

 

[Hust]

@Klinsmann

Thing is Matri and Quag were never any better or worse signings then as they are today. It is Marrotta who loaned out Treseguet, and sold Diego. And then brought in Quag, Luca Toni and Matri. We overpaid for both of them, and neither of them will sell for their actual valuation in today's mercato because everyone knows Juve would just be getting rid of them to make way for a bigger player.

I'm all on board for a game changing player. I've been screaming myself hoarse through three mercatos, being let down by the circumstances and Marrotta. But this discussion would only be relevant if Quag and Matri could garner a 15m sale individually or if they had 5m salaries. At 2m a season and 7-8m valuation, you'd reckon they're better value in the team than out of it. Take Quag for example. 9 goals in the least minutes of the starting forwards. A 2.5 m salary and perhaps a 7-8m valuation on the market. What good would it be selling a player like that? You're better off keeping him. The same, in effect applies to Matri. It's just that the latter has not had enough game time to prove he's more useful to the team than not. It's worth thinking along these lines, because the bigger picture in reality as has been proven by Marrotta over three mercatos relies a lot on the numbers at hand.

I'm getting mentioned like crazy. My inbox is blowing up.

Diego needed to go. No way he was going to be used properly and our system was changing so that move made sense. Letting Trez go was terrorism.

Let's say we get Llorente for free in summer. We sell matri & quag for lets say 6m each...12m to use along with our budget to get a top SS (Jovetic/Sanchez). Our new starting lineup goes from what we have now to Llorente-Jovetic/Sanchez...and Mirko/Giovinco take their places on the bench in roles Quag/Matri have now. Both would get plenty of playing time with Conte's rotation policies, so I doubt they would complain.

 

[baggio]

Quag @ 16? I seem to remember he was a 10-11 Million signing

I think 5m loan deal and 10.5m to convert the loan.

 

[Zacheryah]

@Klinsmann

Thing is Matri and Quag were never any better or worse signings then as they are today. It is Marrotta who loaned out Treseguet, and sold Diego. And then brought in Quag, Luca Toni and Matri. We overpaid for both of them, and neither of them will sell for their actual valuation in today's mercato because everyone knows Juve would just be getting rid of them to make way for a bigger player.

I'm all on board for a game changing player. I've been screaming myself hoarse through three mercatos, being let down by the circumstances and Marrotta. But this discussion would only be relevant if Quag and Matri could garner a 15m sale individually or if they had 5m salaries. At 2m a season and 7-8m valuation, you'd reckon they're better value in the team than out of it. Take Quag for example. 9 goals in the least minutes of the starting forwards. A 2.5 m salary and perhaps a 7-8m valuation on the market. What good would it be selling a player like that? You're better off keeping him. The same, in effect applies to Matri. It's just that the latter has not had enough game time to prove he's more useful to the team than not. It's worth thinking along these lines, because the bigger picture in reality as has been proven by Marrotta over three mercatos relies a lot on the numbers at hand.

I agree but would like to add one thing, because it discredits marotta.

we started rejuvinating and cutting the wage bill, hard decisions most be made.

Del Neri was confident in amauri, quag, iaquinta, del piero


by newyear, amauri and iaquinta had performed horrible, quag was amazing but went out on a season ending injury, and del piero was in decay

He had to buy new forwards, let down by the current ones

Toni and Matri, were bought to fix this. If iaquinta or amauri did what was expected, or if quag didnt got that injury, they wouldnt be here today.



and about the rest, i agree. For me a direct swap is the best possible thing to do, as no one will pay their correct price

 

[baggio]

I'm getting mentioned like crazy. My inbox is blowing up.

Diego needed to go. No way he was going to be used properly and our system was changing so that move made sense. Letting Trez go was terrorism.

Let's say we get Llorente for free in summer. We sell matri & quag for lets say 6m each...12m to use along with our budget to get a top SS (Jovetic/Sanchez). Our new starting lineup goes from what we have now to Llorente-Jovetic/Sanchez...and Mirko/Giovinco take their places on the bench in roles Quag/Matri have now. Both would get plenty of playing time with Conte's rotation policies, so I doubt they would complain.

Getting Llorente for free doesn't bring any guarantees bro. He's going to come in on a salary that accounts for both Quag and Matri. He's switching leagues whereas they know this team and the system. Plus Llorente for whatever its worth is not the game changing player we are talking about. He is by no means world class. Maybe a rung or two below. Suarez is a game changer on the other hand. So you have to judge how wise it would be to make a move like that for a Llorente vis a vis retaining one of Quag or Matri and going all out for a Suarez or Joveitc.