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/usr/bin · Jul 9, 2005

I think this joke sums up the situation after 9/11 at least:

An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40 years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:

"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and dig up the garden for me.
I love you,
Your Father"

The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from his son:

"Beloved Father,
Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the THING'.
I love you, too,
Ahmed"

At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed they leave the house.

A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.

"Beloved Father,
I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your potatoes.
That's all I could do for you from here.
I love you,
Ahmed."

an obvious exaggeration, but the gist remains true to some..

Dan · Jul 9, 2005

nedved34 · Jul 9, 2005

well,I told you,they don't think the same way as you do.any foreign (non islamic) army that invades their country,they declare holly war "Jihad", if it was crusades or not,christian,atheist,budhist or whatever,for them that's holly war.the other part,you claim you army is there for help, they claim you are there for evil reasons,petrol,power etc..seems both sides will never agree that..

like i posted above,you claim they are terorists (and I agree with you),but they claim they are fighting for Jihad,The holly war..
you can notice that,most of the terrorist are religists,that's why they think it's Jihad..

I know actually I meant "sad" by "Feelings"

nedved34 · Jul 9, 2005

++ [ originally posted by BAH_Bianconero ] ++
I think this joke sums up the situation after 9/11 at least:

An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40 years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:

"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and dig up the garden for me.
I love you,
Your Father"

The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from his son:

"Beloved Father,
Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the THING'.
I love you, too,
Ahmed"

At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed they leave the house.

A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.

"Beloved Father,
I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your potatoes.
That's all I could do for you from here.
I love you,
Ahmed."

an obvious exaggeration, but the gist remains true to some..

/usr/bin · Jul 9, 2005

I've got tons more.. but I gotta go to sleep.. gonna hit the gym tomorrow.. 'night guys..

Nicole · Jul 9, 2005

**** I am worried...Its now 42 hours since all this shit happened...And STILL had no contract from my friends, their parents are travelling to London now to see whats going on...starting to think the worst...:sob:

Zlatan · Jul 9, 2005

1. If the Israel-Palestine confilct has nothing to do with terrorism, please, tell us, what do you believe are the reasons for terrorism?

2. USA will not invade Iran. Iran have much bigger military capabilities than Iraq, inculding 12 million military capable men.

Vinman · Jul 9, 2005

++ [ originally posted by BAH_Bianconero ] ++
I think this joke sums up the situation after 9/11 at least:

An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40 years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:

"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and dig up the garden for me.
I love you,
Your Father"

The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from his son:

"Beloved Father,
Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the THING'.
I love you, too,
Ahmed"

At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed they leave the house.

A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.

"Beloved Father,
I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your potatoes.
That's all I could do for you from here.
I love you,
Ahmed."

an obvious exaggeration, but the gist remains true to some..

HAHA....

I got the same joke as an e mail, only they were Italian, he was planting tomatoes, and the "thing" he was referring to was a dead body

- vOnAm - · Jul 9, 2005

You sound so sure, like you KNOW everything (from where?), don't be arrogant man.
Do really know what goes on in the Isreali-Palestine conflict? You're not even trying to understand the problem. The purchases were not as easily done as u might think and I doubt it was even that clear or sold 50% of it. As I have read, the peasants themselves didn't know about the sales..very complicated situation which will always be hard for us who were not there to really understand.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

And another more complicated assesment on what happend written by some jews (atleast that what it says).

www.cactus48.com/truth.html

I think the injustice of what happens in these conflicts have a large part to do with terrorism, and some people's lost hope for Justice. And when no one body is able to deliver Justice without prejudice and without self-interest, then I believe these people resort to their last and worst option, "Murder".

I'm very sure that Oil has some part to do with US' invasion. And if you regard Democracy so highly, why would you suport the US' invasion? As most of the world did not agree to it, thus democratically it should not have been allowed to happen.

- vOnAm - · Jul 9, 2005

Gandhi on the Palestine conflict - 1938

"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French...What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct...If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs... As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non- violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds." Mahatma Gandhi, quoted in "A Land of Two Peoples" ed. Mendes-Flohr.

"Albert Einstein - "' (Jewish)

I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State. Apart from practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish State,with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain'...

Roverbhoy · Jul 9, 2005

Some nice quotes, but tell me, at what point did the Isrealis/Palestinians lose their right to their country:-

Thickly literary, packed full of household names, and always tumultuous, Israel's history seeps from the past into the present, in a country where everyday interactions are shaped by thousand-year-old conflicts. It all began around 1800 BC when Abraham led a group of nomads from Mesopotamia and settled in the mountains of Canaan. By 1023 BC the Israelites had formed a kingdom, led by Saul and then David, who captured Jerusalem and made it his capital. In around 950 BC, David's son Solomon built one of Judaism's most important sites, the First Temple of Jerusalem. The Temple was destroyed in 586 BC by the invading Babylonians, but was eventually rebuilt. The unstoppable Roman Empire took Israel in 63 BC and placed it under the control of a series of consuls, including Herod the Great and Pontius Pilate. This is when Jesus was believed to have lived and preached in Israel. The increasing insanity of the Empire under Caligula prompted a Jewish uprising, which lasted four years but was finally crushed when the Temple was again destroyed. After a second revolt, Jerusalem itself was razed, a new city (Aelia Capitolina) built on its ruins, and the province of Palestine decreed. This defeat marked the end of the Jewish state and the beginning of the Diaspora, the scattering of the Jewish people.

In 331 AD Emperor Constantine became a Christian and gave his official stamp of approval to the previously illegal religion. Suddenly everyone wanted to know about the Holy Land, and a rash of buildings, including the churches of the Holy Sepulchre and the Nativity, sprang up all over Israel to mark sites of religious importance. But Christianity's hold over the country was not to last long - in 638 AD Jerusalem fell to Caliph Omar and was declared a Holy City of Islam, on the grounds that the Prophet Mohammed had ascended to heaven from atop the Temple Mount. Christians around the world raised their hackles at this desecration, and by 1099 they'd scrounged an army together and occupied Jerusalem, murdering everyone they could get their hands on and beginning nearly 100 years of Christian rule. But by 1187 the Muslims again had the upper hand - after decades of Christian/Muslim scuffling, the Islamic Mamluks knocked over the last Crusader stronghold in 1291.

The next 500 years were some of the quietest Israel has seen. Empires rose and fell, and control of the country changed hands with monotonous regularity, but very little of the fighting took place on Israeli soil - for the average Israelite, it was business as usual. The only blip occurred in the 16th century, when the Ottoman Empire took over the reins and Suleyman the Magnificent rebuilt Jerusalem's city walls. By the mid-19th century the Ottomans were losing their grip and world interest once again focused on Israel. Britain opened a consulate in Jerusalem, and in 1839 Sir Moses Montefiore, a British Jew, began promoting the idea of a Jewish state. In 1878 the first Jewish colony was founded, and before long the first Aliyah, or wave of immigrants, had started. At the same time, the Arab population of Palestine was becoming strongly nationalistic and anti-European, which did not bode well for the new arrivals.

At the time of WWI, Britain promised Arabs they'd recognise an Arab state, and Jews they'd support a Jewish homeland in Palestine. When the war ended, Britain was given a mandate to rule the country, and as Europe moved towards WWII, Britain decided to stop all migration to Israel. Desperate illegal immigrants continued to arrive, and the Arab population responded violently. By 1947 the situation had reached an impasse, Britain gave up its mandate and a resolution was passed to divide the country between Arabs and Jews. On 14 May 1948 Israel came into being. Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon invaded soon after but were defeated and when a ceasefire was declared in May 1949, Israel had extended the territory under its control in Palestine. Citizenship was offered to any Jewish person wishing to immigrate and the country began to fill with new arrivals

Roverbhoy · Jul 9, 2005

Why just blame the British...why not the Turks, Caliph Omar, the Romans, the original peoples inhabiting Isreal when Abraham led his people there for getting defeated?

How far back are you going to go? Thousands of years to justify who has rights the Palestine / Israel?

Blame the Brits for everything

Roverbhoy · Jul 9, 2005

I give up:down:

Maher · Jul 9, 2005

this is the result of the forign policy of US and UK in iraq , Afghanistan and israel

- vOnAm - · Jul 9, 2005

I think you missed my point Roverbhoy, I was responding to Azzurri7's statement about the irrelevance of the palestine-isreali conflict to terrorism.

I am not trying to blame any nation, I am saying that we should try to understand the history and that many things are connected together.

When things happen like these, there is usually no clear perpretrator, rather a collection of events that were caused by the events before it. It may have been started by a group of people with bad judgement and escalated over the years by continous reactions that are in itself a bad action.

The thing we need to do is clearly understand as far back as it is directly relevant to the present.
As people who are not directly emotionally connected with these events, it is best we try to keep a neutral perspective, Azzurri just made it seem like the western world have nothing to do with this violence and perhaps it was just the evil people that these bombers are.

Lets just see history as it is, to solve these conflicts it takes people to understand beyond the boundaries of their own country.
When the facts say the british had some part to do with the conflict in the past then accept it, but it will not / does not justify bombings, murders and such actions. Let the history guide us to a more objective justice and solution.

swag · Jul 9, 2005

I don't care if you're Jewish or Palestinian. Anybody who thinks they have a birthright over generations to claim rights to a plot of land is a complete retard.

I mean, where do you draw the line? Should France be turned over to people claiming to be direct descendents of the Gauls? Iraq to the Assyrians? Lebanon to the Phoenicians? Germany to the Saxons?

A nation's land is not like calling 'shotgun' first when getting into a car, for crying out loud. Since when did entire peoples, races, and land become static and should be considered forever unchanged?

This point is illustrated if you ever go to Hawaii. There much is made of the preservation of Hawaii's Polynesian cultural roots, etc. Botanical gardens are dedicated to returning the land to "endiginous" plants. Of course, said "endiginous" plants were really those first introduced by the Polynesians when they invaded the originally uninhabited islands. :rolleyes:

"Yes, we intend to return Hawaii to its endiginous ecology -- when the islands were first invaded with foreign plants." As if that is somehow any less obscene than the people who later replaced the Polynesians' invasive species with yet another set of invasive species of their own.

Nicole · Jul 9, 2005

So much death over something so meaningless and pathetic as religion just makes me wanna cry.

Maher · Jul 9, 2005

++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
So much death over something so meaningless and pathetic as religion just makes me wanna cry.

Slagathor · Jul 9, 2005

I concur. Religions are useless.

And this discussion about the British bringing these attacks upon themselves is driving me to the very edge of tolerance. The Dutch have traditionally always looked out over the seas and especially the Germans characterise us as a people who always keep their back turned towards Europe and their face towards the West. To all the Brits out there: let the imbeciles talk, who gives a fuck anyway. You have our support! Our countries have been allies since 1668 and no fucking terrorist will drive us apart :strong:

sallyinzaghi · Jul 9, 2005

Whatever it is, we all condemn any form of terrorism; and killing of innocents.

as for religions being useless, each to its own - everyone has their opinions. but fact remains that no religion allows such acts.

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