euthanasia (13 Viewers)

Oct 31, 2006
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#22
Yeah in my speech class we talked about that too.of course this was about 2 years ago, if you look at it throught the "killing" side,yeah itz bad. I htink it's ok because the person more than likely will die anyway and if we can keep them from going through so much pain why not? Nobody sould have to put up with it if they don't want to...especially if they have no control over the situatuation.
 

HelterSkelter

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Apr 15, 2005
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#23
here a question,and answer it honestly:

if your best friend,or your parent,or someone extremley close to you was terminally ill,and had to live the rest of his life not like a normal person,would you want him to be be with you and die a natural death?or would you want him to be euthanised and taken away from you?
 
Oct 31, 2006
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#24
Really great question, its hard to make a decision like this. If they decided to do so well I'll support them because I could not stand to see them suffer. I'll always have that hope that they'll be fine and everything will be ok again. IF they didn't think about this, then y bring it up? Natural death is the way things are supposed to be.
 

Bozi

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Oct 18, 2005
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#25
i have to say that working in the hospital i can see both sides of the arguement. i have been with a patient who is given TLC as there is nothing else we can do for them and it is very sad, however we are supposed to do everything we can to prolong life, even in hopeless cases
 
Sep 28, 2002
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#26
salman said:
here a question,and answer it honestly:

if your best friend,or your parent,or someone extremley close to you was terminally ill,and had to live the rest of his life not like a normal person,would you want him to be be with you and die a natural death?or would you want him to be euthanised and taken away from you?
so you'd rather let someone who is close to you permanently suffer just to have him close instead of letting them die just as they wish?

great. no really, thats not selfish at all.
 

Cuti

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Jul 30, 2006
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#27
salman said:
here a question,and answer it honestly:

if your best friend,or your parent,or someone extremley close to you was terminally ill,and had to live the rest of his life not like a normal person,would you want him to be be with you and die a natural death?or would you want him to be euthanised and taken away from you?
first i'd see what they want and how they would live. And if the person would suffer to much and just be a vegetable(i.e. can't do anything) i think i would tell them to kill him/her. But i wouldnt want to be in the room cause i'd start crying and for the person it is good and bad as it shows how much i would care but also this is better for him so i should be 'happy'
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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#28
salman said:
here a question,and answer it honestly:

if your best friend,or your parent,or someone extremley close to you was terminally ill,and had to live the rest of his life not like a normal person,would you want him to be be with you and die a natural death?or would you want him to be euthanised and taken away from you?
What a way with words..

Here's the same question:

If someone extremely close to you was terminally ill,and had to live the rest of his life not like a normal person, would you want him to live a miserable joyless prolonged life or would you want to save him from the pain and let him rest eternally?
 
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Slagathor

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  • Thread Starter #29
    salman said:
    no i didnt read the whole post and thats because im not talking about the dutch law here.im not talking about laws in general.im just talking about what the common man thinks of the whole issue,regardless of what the law says.
    It's not about Dutch law, it's about me supporting the law in this case. Which means the above article represented MY views.

    and my point was that euthanasia is killing.it should be categorized under it.the support of law doesnt make it any acceptable or any better IMO.
    See, that's the problem here. You seem to think:

    * Killing equals murder and therefor it is bad.

    To me (and Dutch society in majority):

    * Killing equals death. Killing can be subdivided into two groups:
    1. Murder. Murder means person A takes the life of person B while person B intended and had a wish to live on. This is viewed by most people here as wrong and hence, in a democratic society, it is illegal.
    2. Euthanasia. Euthanasia means person A wants to die. That is his own personal right because it is his life and his life only. If person A commits suicide, the issue ends right there. If person A would like the assistance of a professional (person B), the law (and the law = the people) provides the necessary procedures. By law, person B may, at all times, refuse to assist for moral or other reasons at which point person A has the option of requesting another professional for assistance.

    leave the law aside,why do you support it?
    I support it euthanasia because it doesn't equal murder. As I explained above.
     

    Cronios

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    Jun 7, 2004
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    #30
    It should be avoided at all costs,
    patients in hospitals arent dieing horses in the battlefield,
    most of the times there is still a fragment of hope even in the worst cases scenario,
    i m not speaking about miracles here, but new tehniques/treatment should be tried out first,
    even a desperate surgical operation attempt is better than that
    and the patient doesnt have to suffer or even feel anything,
    modern medicine is beyond that, i can hardly think of any chance a conscious patient would be presented to such a situation and willingly take that...decision...
    doctors wont allow a patient to sucide, even if he wises to
    and a doctor should not be obligated by law to take a life at almost any circumstances...esp when the patient dissagrees to follow a treatment because of his religius/spiritual/social believes.

    BUT unfortunately there are some very very rare cases, when, honestly there is no other way...
     

    HelterSkelter

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    Apr 15, 2005
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    #31
    id always cling on to hope,even if the person was in great pain.id hope that there would be some way that he would be cured,some way that his pain would be reduced.im not a medical student,but medical science has advanced a lot.there are cures for diseases that were thought to be incurable in the past.im not saying there's a cure for every single disease,but id cling on to the hope of seeing them get relief until that hope is taken away from me by natural death.i dont think that selfish.that's just hoping for the best.
     

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    #35
    I tend to lean on the plus side here. A person's destiny is in their own hands, or should be. If a person wants to die but is too ill to jump off a cliff, it makes sense to give them this option. After all, it pertains only to people who have to endure physical suffering without a potential for improvement.
     

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    #37
    salman said:
    determining 'the potential' for improvement is the biggest question i guess.
    Not really. If you're sick and you have severe physical pains and there is no treatment for this, not even effective pain killers, then what exactly is the point of dispute?
     

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    #39
    salman said:
    that maybe treatment could be found?it wont happen overnight.but medical science has advanced in leaps and bounds,and it will continue to do so.
    Of course, but you cannot make a law based on some possible scenario that may or may not happen. If there is no treatment today, and if there was something promising being worked on, the patient's doctor would be the first to tell him about it. If there is no treatment, there is no treatment, simple as that. Waiting a year to see if anything has changed may be viable to you, but for a patient who suffers from intense pain every day (and night), it's not exactly the same.
     

    Seven

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    Jun 25, 2003
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    Martin said:
    I tend to lean on the plus side here. A person's destiny is in their own hands, or should be. If a person wants to die but is too ill to jump off a cliff, it makes sense to give them this option. After all, it pertains only to people who have to endure physical suffering without a potential for improvement.
    That's not really the biggest problem. Most people would agree to that. But what can you do with an extremely catholic 85 year old who's not only living the most unbearable pains, but is also suffering from dementia? Could you go through with euthanasia if the family agrees? From my point of view you couldn't, because she's catholic and thus one would assume she wouldn't have agreed. On the other hand she might chosen against the catholic beliefs if she were fit to. It's all pretty damn gray.
     

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