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That's because you belive in propaganda .
If you take into account the economic factor Orban is doing very bad .
When Orban took power Romania was way behind Hungary , probably in all aspects of life , but now I think we have surpassed them or we are at least the same as them and all this with rampant corruption in our country.
The only way this could have happend is because of way worse corruption in Hungary .
They somehow put the brakes on the economic front.
@s4tch you can correct me if I'm wrong.
We have Orban sympathizers in our country too , but whenever I explain to them the economic factor , they start to question this image of the "great" Orban.
Example : Those that live in the west part of Romania used to usually cross the border for lower prices on fuel and groceries .
After 12 - 14 years of Orban the situation has reversed or it doesn't happen anymore .
If you take into account the economic factor Orban is doing very bad .
When Orban took power Romania was way behind Hungary , probably in all aspects of life , but now I think we have surpassed them or we are at least the same as them and all this with rampant corruption in our country.
The only way this could have happend is because of way worse corruption in Hungary .
They somehow put the brakes on the economic front.
@s4tch you can correct me if I'm wrong.
We have Orban sympathizers in our country too , but whenever I explain to them the economic factor , they start to question this image of the "great" Orban.
Example : Those that live in the west part of Romania used to usually cross the border for lower prices on fuel and groceries .
After 12 - 14 years of Orban the situation has reversed or it doesn't happen anymore .
If I believed in propaganda I'd hate Orban. Trust me, mass media in Poland puts Ukraine's well-being above ours so anything that's not pro Ukraine is considered unacceptable (Orban included).
I don't know the exact economic situation of Romania and Hungary. From what I've heard Romania is in a similar situation to Poland, which is cheap labor for western companies. It might bump the GDP temporarily but it is very short-sighted. There is very little innovation in Poland and it is extremely hard to run a small-medium business due to complex regulations. Western corporations will look for another place as soon as the cost become too high and then your GDP will nosedive while the unemployment rates will sky-rocket.
I don't know the exact economic situation of Romania and Hungary. From what I've heard Romania is in a similar situation to Poland, which is cheap labor for western companies. It might bump the GDP temporarily but it is very short-sighted. There is very little innovation in Poland and it is extremely hard to run a small-medium business due to complex regulations. Western corporations will look for another place as soon as the cost become too high and then your GDP will nosedive while the unemployment rates will sky-rocket.
What does "cheap labor for western companies" mean?
Would you rather have them invest the money somewhere else?
How would that help unemployment?
I guess the "western corporations are taking our country Russian rethoric is strong there also"?
All I know that we în România are leaving our best lives in history thanks in part to us joining the EU . No amount of propaganda is going to change this fact.
Would you rather have them invest the money somewhere else?
How would that help unemployment?
I guess the "western corporations are taking our country Russian rethoric is strong there also"?
All I know that we în România are leaving our best lives in history thanks in part to us joining the EU . No amount of propaganda is going to change this fact.
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Good read: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/06/french-rocket-could-help-europe-break-free-usa/
European rebuild of the defense sector, more for the EU space program, less dependent on the US. Wake me up, please.
European rebuild of the defense sector, more for the EU space program, less dependent on the US. Wake me up, please.
i won't, it's accurate. standard of living, gdp per capita, economic growth, average wage was all worse in romania in 2009. now you're ahead
orbán & co stole what they could in the last 1,5 decades. there's a reason why we aren't getting any more eu funds
@The Quazis watch this with english subs:
...and that's just one storyline. i have a dozen of others. these are corrupt pieces of shit who are damaging their own people and covering it up with propaganda, be it anti-immigration ("arabs will take your job" vs importing ~300k people from the philippines, ukraine and giving golden visas to wealthy arabs and russians), anti-eu (while stealing european money lol), anti-soros (while the whole fidesz founders' circle was supported by soros when they got western scholarships), etc. there's always an enemy to fight, but it's never corruption, and never russia.
orbán & co stole what they could in the last 1,5 decades. there's a reason why we aren't getting any more eu funds
@The Quazis watch this with english subs:
...and that's just one storyline. i have a dozen of others. these are corrupt pieces of shit who are damaging their own people and covering it up with propaganda, be it anti-immigration ("arabs will take your job" vs importing ~300k people from the philippines, ukraine and giving golden visas to wealthy arabs and russians), anti-eu (while stealing european money lol), anti-soros (while the whole fidesz founders' circle was supported by soros when they got western scholarships), etc. there's always an enemy to fight, but it's never corruption, and never russia.
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That reminds me of the Three Seas Initiative. I like this project because it would enable the involved countries to finally escape German and Russian dominance in Europe. All the previous attempts to unite were successfully destroyed by Germany who obviously doesn't want to lose its dominance over the continent through EU. However, US is more than capable to protect this project so fingers crossed.
I would suggest to calm down a bit with this propaganda argument. Propaganda is being used by all sides in every conflict so it's not like you're immune to it. Also, just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean it's because of propaganda.
Cheap labor for western companies means they are using low labor cost in post Soviet countries to maximize their profits. While there's nothing wrong in it in general, it's important how those countries use such an investment. If they invest in the development of entrepreneurship to help create more domestic companies (and consequently more jobs) it's good. Because there's a limit how long you can compete with cheap labor.
I don't know about Romania but in Poland we don't use that opportunity wisely. We pump bureaucracy and social aid instead of creating good fiscal and bureaucratic conditions to run a business and invest in innovation.
Cheap labor for western companies means they are using low labor cost in post Soviet countries to maximize their profits. While there's nothing wrong in it in general, it's important how those countries use such an investment. If they invest in the development of entrepreneurship to help create more domestic companies (and consequently more jobs) it's good. Because there's a limit how long you can compete with cheap labor.
I don't know about Romania but in Poland we don't use that opportunity wisely. We pump bureaucracy and social aid instead of creating good fiscal and bureaucratic conditions to run a business and invest in innovation.
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it's just some random bullshit. just two things that aren't factual at all:
- not a single hungarian media is quoting orbán saying hungary would leave the nato if murica does
- meloni is so fed up with ukraine (lol) that she proposed that ukraine should be defended under nato article 5 even as a non-member: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ving-ukraine-nato-security-without-membership
okay it's behind paywall but other quality sources report the same:
bottom line is that "serinity" is a bullshit source with bullshit video. nomuken shouldn't consume this stuff, it's literal misinformation
- not a single hungarian media is quoting orbán saying hungary would leave the nato if murica does
- meloni is so fed up with ukraine (lol) that she proposed that ukraine should be defended under nato article 5 even as a non-member: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ving-ukraine-nato-security-without-membership
okay it's behind paywall but other quality sources report the same:
bottom line is that "serinity" is a bullshit source with bullshit video. nomuken shouldn't consume this stuff, it's literal misinformation