European affairs (20 Viewers)

[s4tch]

I’ve said it many times and I stick to my statement.

If we took our own Defense serious we would’ve seen those investments already years ago. We reached a point this century where we blindly followed the US into their illegal invasion in Iraq, I highly suspect them of having a role in the Nord Stream pipelines aswel.

Its a situation we meet by force now but it’s time that Europe finally starts to take its independence serious.

once again, not a word on russia and not a word on trump being a russian whore. it's always someone else's fault

russia is the threat. yeah, europe didn't take it seriously enough. still, europe is full of nato countries, and nato allies have a contractual obligation. europe rightfully counted on usa's partnership. trump is about to leave europe behind for no reason other than his personal admiration and/or obligation towards putin

 

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[U Picciriddu]

once again, not a word on russia and not a word on trump being a russian whore. it's always someone else's fault

russia is the threat. yeah, europe didn't take it seriously enough. still, europe is full of nato countries, and nato allies have a contractual obligation. europe rightfully counted on usa's partnership. trump is about to leave europe behind for no reason other than his personal admiration and/or obligation towards putin

My perspective on this is just fundamentally different than yours. Where you rightfully blame Trump and Putin for the idiots that they are, I take a step back and look critical to the decades of preparation we should’ve had in Europe to become more resilient.

My truth is that it’s literally rolling the dice if you accept a position where the US has a monopoly on your defence industry and Russia on your energy sector. We should do a big mea culpa and fix the things we have to fix, we can’t control Trump or Putin but we have our own destiny in our own hands, it’s as simple as that.

It’s shocking when you realise how comprised we actually were before the Ukraine war, and we can only blame ourselves for that. Again: we can complain about Trump as much as we want, but taking responsibility (what we should’ve done already years ago) is what will truly help us.

And the sad thing is that we would never make those decisions if we have a American full pro-EU president now. We would continue to live on a pink cloud and blindly following them whenever they find a next war. I understand that it sounds like a paradox, but somehow the current situation might help us on the long term.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

My perspective on this is just fundamentally different than yours. Where you rightfully blame Trump and Putin for the idiots that they are, I take a step back and look critical to the decades of preparation we should’ve had in Europe to become more resilient.

My truth is that it’s literally rolling the dice if you accept a position where the US has a monopoly on your defence industry and Russia on your energy sector. We should do a big mea culpa and fix the things we have to fix, we can’t control Trump or Putin but we have our own destiny in our own hands, it’s as simple as that.

It’s shocking when you realise how comprised we actually were before the Ukraine war, and we can only blame ourselves for that. Again: we can complain about Trump as much as we want, but taking responsibility (what we should’ve done already years ago) is what will truly help us.

And the sad thing is that we would never make those decisions if we have a American full pro-EU president now. We would continue to live on a pink cloud and blindly following them whenever they find a next war. I understand that it sounds like a paradox, but somehow the current situation might help us on the long term.

This is absolutely, 100% correct. What's he's saying though (and I agree with) is that your continent is not necessarily stronger or more secure with these investments and also without a close alliance with the United States.

There should be both together, but there's nothing we can do now except hope for the least amount of damage over the next 4 years.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

A stronger Europe is all fine & dandy, but a big part (majority?) of the European population doesn't want that.

Look at most of the recent elections over here: the (biggest) winners are almost always extreme right (or sometimes extreme left), anti-Europe parties. You've got shitloads of politicians blaming whatever goes wrong on Brussels/Europe, instead of backing up European guidelines or minumum requirements. "Don't blame me, Europe made me do it."
Not to mention the fact that, in order to get anything done in the EU, you need all 27 member states to agree. Some of which have entirely opposing interests or ideas. Urgent matters, you say? Good luck with that.

I hope it's just me being pessimistic, but to me the future for the EU/Europe looks pretty bleak. It's just a weak, purely economical union anyway. And an easy victim for its many enemies, both on the inside and the outside.

 

[Ventus]

Trump is preparing a war for Israel. He knows the US can't fund both.

 

[U Picciriddu]

A stronger Europe is all fine & dandy, but a big part (majority?) of the European population doesn't want that.

Look at most of the recent elections over here: the (biggest) winners are almost always extreme right (or sometimes extreme left), anti-Europe parties. You've got shitloads of politicians blaming whatever goes wrong on Brussels/Europe, instead of backing up European guidelines or minumum requirements. "Don't blame me, Europe made me do it."
Not to mention the fact that, in order to get anything done in the EU, you need all 27 member states to agree. Some of which have entirely opposing interests or ideas. Urgent matters, you say? Good luck with that.

I hope it's just me being pessimistic, but to me the future for the EU/Europe looks pretty bleak. It's just a weak, purely economical union anyway. And an easy victim for its many enemies, both on the inside and the outside.

We have a majority in the European Parliament with S&D, EPP and Renew Europe, all pro-European alliances. I think that the commission will get most proposals through the parliament and the council.

So even if Afd becomes the biggest party in Germany, with Alice Weidel as president, it wouldn’t necessarily mean that they’ll get the minister of foreign affairs or the minister of defence, who in turn has to vote in the council on proposals from the commission.

In general it’s not untrue what you’re saying but I wouldn’t say that in this current time that the EU doesn’t have a chance. The current situation might downplay polarisation from left to right as a side effect, who knows. I think that both sides can agree on investments for defence, for example. Boots on the ground in Ukraine might be a complete different dossier.

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Just opened X and found this statement. As said I expect a (strong) majority in favor of investments

Finally

 

[U Picciriddu]

@Dostoevsky

 

[U Picciriddu]

We're in the age of pro Euro propaganda now <3

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

We're in the age of pro Euro propaganda now <3

Looking at the post above this one though...

 

[Bjerknes]

Whole world is descending into chaos.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Looking at the post above this one though...

So with who are you siding given your Italian roots

I can help you with your transfer to both The Netherlands and Italy

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

So with who are you siding given your Italian roots

I can help you with your transfer to both The Netherlands and Italy

In terms of what? Serbia and Kosovo?

I legitimately do want to try to get Italian citizenship but I'm not really sure how to actually go about it.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

In terms of what? Serbia and Kosovo?

I legitimately do want to try to get Italian citizenship but I'm not really sure how to actually go about it.

https://www.italiandualcitizenship.net/italian-citizenship-by-descent/

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

https://www.italiandualcitizenship.net/italian-citizenship-by-descent/

The most recent I could go back to is my great grandparents on my mother's side, we're talking like around WWI or earlier. To compound that I know my great grandfather came here illegally, and I don't even know about my great grandmother. But record keeping was let's say not great . I'll likely have to talk to a lawyer I assume, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[U Picciriddu]

In terms of what? Serbia and Kosovo?

I legitimately do want to try to get Italian citizenship but I'm not really sure how to actually go about it.

In the USA vs Europe war

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The most recent I could go back to is my great grandparents on my mother's side, we're talking like around WWI or earlier. To compound that I know my great grandfather came here illegally, and I don't even know about my great grandmother. But record keeping was let's say not great . I'll likely have to talk to a lawyer I assume, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I’m not sure wether it exists or not in the USA, but Italy funds free lessons for children of Italians abroad, as far as I know it doesn’t really matter which generation it is. My daughter followed that program for a while

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

In the USA vs Europe war

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I’m not sure wether it exists or not in the USA, but Italy funds free lessons for children of Italians abroad, as far as I know it doesn’t really matter which generation it is. My daughter followed that program for a while

Whoever's right.

 

[s4tch]

an almost 100% perfect analysis indeed. the only thing he's missing is that for me, trump really looks like someone being instructed by the kreml. he's yet to prove that he considers western interests at all. other than that, 7 minutes that you won't consider as wasted time. watch it.

 

[DAiDEViL]

How's election day going in germany?

We'll find out soon ig. Not expecting any surprises. Merz (CDU) to win it. AfD nazis to be 2nd strongest party. Having a feeling the latter are gonna get more votes than predicted, simply because a lot of people are rightfully ashamed of voting for them and won't openly admit it.

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28% CDU atm - really weak...
AfD around 20%

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Gonna be a pain in the ass.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

This timeline is fucked.

The world is in for a very scary time over the next few years.

 

[U Picciriddu]

We'll find out soon ig. Not expecting any surprises. Merz (CDU) to win it. AfD nazis to be 2nd strongest party. Having a feeling the latter are gonna get more votes than predicted, simply because a lot of people are rightfully ashamed of voting for them and won't openly admit it.

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28% CDU atm - really weak...
AfD around 20%

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Gonna be a pain in the ass.

For who did you vote?