[Europe] 2010 World Cup qualifying thread (23 Viewers)

[Byrone]

I agree. That's why i'd call Henry a cheater and admit that in his place, i'd have done exactly the same thing.

I don't even blame Henry for doing it, because I know that with a WC at stake, most of the players, at least the more intelligent ones, with good reflexes, would have done the same.

But i still feel awful for the team that missed out on something as big as the WC due to his cheating. I feel really awful.
As i said to a friend, I went through 3 lost CL finals with Juve, a semifinal defeat at the world cup with Croatia, a 120 minute goal from Turkey in 2008...but i can't even imagine how the Irish feel because Juve and Croatia lost fair and square, while this one was different.

I like that!

 

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[Ahmed]

oh please no not another lawyer whats the difference between handling the ball to prevent a goal and one to score one?

diving is (unfortunately) part of the game, and is not applied unilaterally...handling the ball, however, is a direct violation of the rules of football...add on top of that celebrating like he's scored the greatest fuckin' goal in the history of Cock footballing history.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

What? No. He's Irish. He has chosen not to play international football.

i know but didnt he get a call up from england?

 

[X Æ A-12]

diving is (unfortunately) part of the game, and is not applied unilaterally...handling the ball, however, is a direct violation of the rules of football...add on top of that celebrating like he's scored the greatest fuckin' goal in the history of Cock footballing history.

The celebration afterward was quite distasteful

 

[Bjerknes]

Did you people even read my posts? I explicitly stated that it was fair to call Henry a cheat, i said that Ireland were robbed, i said that France did not deserve to go through. I never justified what Henry did, nor do i think it is justifiable. Ireland were hard done by.

Now that we got that done with, i am asking a simple question that most of you are avoiding. If a Juve player did the same thing, would you be so quick to label him a cheat? He might have cheated at that moment (which again is unjustifiable) but does that mean he is a cheat?

Be sure that i will be here to call you guys out. I will be waiting for any incident that involves a Juve, Italy or US player cheating, and if i don't see you guys calling the x player a cheat, i will call you out for hypocrisy.

Oh and it doesn't matter if its a weekly league game or if its a game thats as important as todays one, cheating is cheating.

Good luck in it happening in a knockout game, especially the magnitude of this one.

Henry has also been a known diver, so he's a cheat in multiple ways.

 

[The Curr]

i know but didnt he get a call up from england?

Not as far as I know. He played about 5 times for Ireland but he decided to just concentrate on club football. He's only about 21.

 

[Alen]

Thats nonsense. Cheating is cheating, and any form of cheating that results in scoring a goal and changing the outcome of a game should be considered "doing the same as Henry did".

If the player scores from offside, is he cheating? How do you know that he was aware that he was offside? He scores from offside and changes the outcome of the game. Was he cheating?

Lets define cheating with examples, so we'll know when you'll have the right to call Ahmed a hypocrite.

Diving that results with a penalty or even a free kick, handball that results with a goal scored/ saved..... what else?

 

[Stephan]

I think Henry should be punished personally with a ban from WC really.

France will be there and Ireland wont, cant do anything about that, but Henry deserves a punishment.

And bring the replays to football already. Ireland played a fantastic game in france. What a way to get eliminated.

 

[Bjerknes]

Now all you need to do is wait a Juve player to deliberately stop the ball with his hand, Juve to score and the "cheater" to start celebrating like crazy.

Good luck with that

Ahmed didn't say anything about diving or other methods of cheating. He was talking about "doing the same thing Henry did".

Yeah, whoopdeefuckingdoo, Fred.

Arsenal has a team of divers, so their team is filled with cheats, meaning Arsenal is a cheating team.

Bloom, simple as that.

 

[Fred]

Good luck in it happening in a knockout game, especially the magnitude of this one.

Henry has also been a known diver, so he's a cheat in multiple ways.

Henry is a known diver? Never heard of that. Nedved was a known diver though.

Oh and cheating is cheating. Knockout game, or regular Serie A game.

diving is (unfortunately) part of the game, and is not applied unilaterally...handling the ball, however, is a direct violation of the rules of football...add on top of that celebrating like he's scored the greatest fuckin' goal in the history of Cock footballing history.

No diving is not part of the game. A player gets yellow carded if he is caught deliberately trying to deceive the ref by diving.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If the player scores from offside, is he cheating? How do you know that he was aware that he was offside? He scores from offside and changes the outcome of the game. Was he cheating?

Lets define cheating with examples, so we'll know when you'll have the right to call Ahmed a hypocrite.

Diving that results with a penalty or even a free kick, handball that results with a goal scored/ saved..... what else?

holding a player's jersey in the area and preventing him from getting to the ball

telling a players that his sister takes it up the ass

pretending someone elbowed you mmmh

 

[Bjerknes]

No diving is not part of the game. A player gets yellow carded if he is caught deliberately trying to deceive the ref by diving.

Same thing with doing ANYTHING illegal, like handling the ball when you know it is against the rules.

It is clear Henry knew what he was doing. Don't come back to us if Del Piero accidentally handles the ball in the future. Has to be deliberate.

 

[Fred]

If the player scores from offside, is he cheating? How do you know that he was aware that he was offside? He scores from offside and changes the outcome of the game. Was he cheating?

Lets define cheating with examples, so we'll know when you'll have the right to call Ahmed a hypocrite.

Diving that results with a penalty or even a free kick, handball that results with a goal scored/ saved..... what else?

I think its pretty obvious.

 

[Ahmed]

No diving is not part of the game. A player gets yellow carded if he is caught deliberately trying to deceive the ref by diving.

there's a grey area involved in diving, the refs do not apply that ruling all the time...how many thousands of time has there been an incident when the referee didn't give a PK or a yellow to the diver.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Henry should be suspended, if not to punish at least to deter players from doing this in the future. If he goes unpunished or gets a suspension for a meaningless friendly than what deters players from trying the same in future matches? The punishment needs to be severe otherwise players will continue to willingly sacrifice themselves so suspension for an unimportant game if it gets their team to the WC. There should be punishment from FIFA at least as a warning that this behavior is not going to be ignored

 

[Fred]

Same thing with doing ANYTHING illegal, like handling the ball when you know it is against the rules.

It is clear Henry knew what he was doing. Don't come back to us if Del Piero accidentally handles the ball in the future. Has to be deliberate.

Of course it has to be deliberate.

And of course Henry knew what he was doing. Did you even read my posts? for the hundredth time, i am not denying Henry cheated.

 

[The Curr]

Oh by the way, Stephen Ireland could have been yet another Italien.

He was eligible to play for the Azzurri.

 

[Fred]

Oh by the way, Stephen Ireland could have been yet another Italien.

He was eligible to play for the Azzurri.

How so?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Henry is a known diver? Never heard of that.

Oh come on, I get that you like him by what is this?

 

[X Æ A-12]

Oh by the way, Stephen Ireland could have been yet another Italien.

He was eligible to play for the Azzurri.

Because he has two legs and hadn't been called up by anybody else yet?