Euro 2004: Italy - Denmark (Group C) (11 Viewers)

[Holdon]

Really, I'm not too surprised with game, disappointed yes, surprised? - no.

To all the people still defending Del Piero, get a grip, he was AWFUL and is totally undeserving of his place in the team.

Buffon, Nesta, Cannavaro did well, the rest were mixed from awful to Ok. No need to panic just yet.

 

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[baggio]

Martin dont agree with everything u say there. Its no point pointing fingers at individuals. We quite clearly havent gelled as a unit. The clog in the wheels were Zanetti and Perrota. They did precious little for the team in any way. There was no link between the defense and attack. Trappatoni is a stubborn man, who refuses to learn from his mistakes. And i wouldnt give the pink slip to Dp just yet. He doesnt have the pace on him for sure, but think hes got a vital role to play in linking up this team. And id still start with him over Cassano, simply coz Cassano is too young to blood just yet. Dp still has a little bit left in em. Totti is currently at 60% so theres some way to go. Vieri isnt that ready either. Clearly this team, is nowhere close to its peak yet, but then again, maybe thats just what a team needs: to play themselves in to the tournament and pick up gradually. Thats why i feel, the draw in the opening match is the perfect result, coz it gives us a point and brings forth a realisation that they cant take nothing for granted. Atleast now Trap will be open to seeing where the imagination is going to come from, and that may mean drafting pirlo and gattuso in to a starting role.

 

[A_LAcki]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


Yeah but so what? After what Del Piero did, Cassano deserved a chance. And at least he showed a lot more fire and willingness for the game than DP. The yellow card was stupid though.

Out of Vieri - Totti - Del Piero, I think Alex was the best. Cassano should have been subed for Vieri, who, beside one header, did less than nothing.

 

[gray]

Disappointing...

:sleepy: 4:17, I'll have a think about the game when I wake up

 

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++ [ originally posted by A_LAcki ] ++
Buffon played very good, and did well at some chances.
Panucci was not at his best. Never really went forward, and didn't help Camoranesi. I would put Oddo there.
Nesta was very good, same goes to Cannavaro, who was a bit tired and not so fresh as usual.
Zambrotta did well too, but nearly no offensive work. Expected to see more from him.
The midfield Perrotta and Zanetti was awfull. Lost nearly every battle in midfield and were far too slow. Totti didn't get any ball or protection he needed. Trap should play Pirlo and Gattuso there, as Perrotta and Zanetti were very weak.
Camoranesi??? Where was he? Never on the right flank and to be honest: The only time he caught my eye, was at the begining, when I saw his new haircut.
Totti tried hard, but simply didn't get any support from Zanetti ir Perrotta. Had a nice free-kick, but he will have to do more, if he wants to become THE Euro star.
Del Piero? I have to tell you, that I liked his play, and he was many times better than Cassano. Had some good chances and played clever. Got tired at the end, but I am sure Trap will field him again. I honestly think he was one of Italy's best, if there was any good performance.
Vieri was very lazy and had a good chance. I would have subed Cassano for Vieri, as he didn't move very well.

All the sub players didn't bring any new ideas with them.

Facit: They will have to get better, otherwise I see Italy out of the Euro.

P.S.: Congrats to the Dans. Didn't expect such a strong and clever match from them.

yeah zmabrotta kind of fadded for a while
and i have to agree that the midfield really sucked my God trap has to rthink about wats hes going to do with ut but camoraini did okay i guess and as for fiore..well i dint see him really there and he still compalains..
cassano was okay but i guess del piero imo did better..

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
Martin dont agree with everything u say there. Its no point pointing fingers at individuals. We quite clearly havent gelled as a unit. The clog in the wheels were Zanetti and Perrota. They did precious little for the team in any way. There was no link between the defense and attack. Trappatoni is a stubborn man, who refuses to learn from his mistakes. And i wouldnt give the pink slip to Dp just yet. He doesnt have the pace on him for sure, but think hes got a vital role to play in linking up this team. And id still start with him over Cassano, simply coz Cassano is too young to blood just yet. Dp still has a little bit left in em. Totti is currently at 60% so theres some way to go. Vieri isnt that ready either. Clearly this team, is nowhere close to its peak yet, but then again, maybe thats just what a team needs: to play themselves in to the tournament and pick up gradually. Thats why i feel, the draw in the opening match is the perfect result, coz it gives us a point and brings forth a realisation that they cant take nothing for granted. Atleast now Trap will be open to seeing where the imagination is going to come from, and that may mean drafting pirlo and gattuso in to a starting role.

No of course you're right. I said precious little about the nonexistant team spirit that Italy never has. I don't know what Trap did to these guys but rarely do you see a group of players playing soo bad together. I mean they know each other for years, they should at least be able to string together some passes. Meanwhile you see a team like Switzerland who really don't have much to offer but they're 10 times the team Italy is. Every team so far has been MUCH better than what Italy did today. Both for team performance and individual performance. This is the biggest under performance yet in the tournament (yes I know Holland is waiting on the wings ). I cannot believe how badly overrated this Italian "team" is, there are no words. And this is exactly what it was in JapanKorea too, despite all the people in denial. It wasn't as bad as this but it was the same kind of cancer in the group.

For all the individual talent, they suck. And whether it's down to individuals or the coach or whatever it doesn't matter. That's why I said they should have sent the U21 team.

 

[baggio]

haha. u said it martin!
But ill tell u, it may just be a good thing to start slow. the momentum gets right for a tournament like the euro or world cup.

Although i do hope ur wrong when u say this team, is nothing new over the WC 2002. Coz id like that memory erased asap.

but no worries, i think there's still some way to go in this tournament.

 

[Martin]

Well so far they're not doing quite as well as they did in 2002

But fear not, they will advance from the group, I have no doubts about it. Italy always find a way to weasel themselves ahead even if they don't deserve to. But it's not about that, it's about the utter lack of class that will make it impossible for them to go past a semi final.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

guys... i think u all are soo wrong, because DP really SUCKD!!!

man of the match was Buffon !

IMO buffon, cannavaro & zambrotta was the best for italy, the rest suckd..
i cant belive dp was so bad, he had a chance but he's passes was from a person that never before has playd football, omg!!!!

 

[The Pado]

Del Piero was a bit disappointing, but did not suck. Holden, you are crazy. Do you think Italy failed to win due to any acts or omissions on DP's part? Totti was worse than DP, but who in their right mind would suggest that Totti should be benched?

No team spirit, no chemistry, just a bunch of individuals -- that was the problem. But If Italy can still grab a point after playing in this manner, then there is much hope of advancing. We should have lost, but still get a point.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

DP dosent even deserve to be on the bench after this dissplay, omg he should be the waterboy !!!

i cant belive im talking like this about my idol...:down:

 

[Juve_Kosova]

look what i found!!!

Buffon 7 <------ MOM (M an Of the Match)
Panucci 5
Nesta 6.5
Cannavaro 6 <----This is what i think is crazy, He should have had at least 6.5
Zambrotta 6.5
Zanetti 5.5
Gattuso 6
Perrotta 6
Camoranesi 5
Fiore 5
Totti 6
Del Piero 4.5 <----- AGREE !!!
Cassano 5.5
Vieri 6
Trapattoni 5 <---- Did he play ?

 

[Ramin]

shut up.

 

[Juvefreak]

For me Del Piero is totally overrated after his long injury, but nobody wants to believe me...

 

[Art^]

Those ratings are crap.

Canna was our best man. Even though DP, Camo and Totti sucked, but Camo was better than them both.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Buffon 7
Panucci 5,5
Nesta 6,5
Cannavaro 7
Zambrotta 6,5
Zanetti 5
Perrotta 5,5
Camoranesi 6
Totti 5,5
Del Piero 5
Vieri 6

Gattuso 6,5
Fiore 6
Cassano 5,5

We sucked

 

[simpson-juvefan]

first of all a disappointing performance from Italy!! But 0:0 is not that bad!!!

I only saw the 1. Half of the game! So there was no midelfield Perrota, Zanetti did nothing, and the 3-1 formation up front also did not work very well!!

I think it is the first match so we hopefully use the formation with Vieri-Totti-Del Piero again!!

Ok Del Piero had not his best game, but IMO Totti was not better, Totti for me was a kind of arrogant!!!

I don't have seen Cassano but i think Italy the whole squad and also Del Piero can perform lot better!

I hope Del Piero keep his starting roll even if i doubt this, cause Media a. Co want to see Cassano!!

 

[The Pado]

These sets of ratings are all political crap. We all saw the game so we know the truth. The only players who performed their jobs well were: Cannavaro and Nesta for sure were the best. After them Buffon and Zambrotta were decent. Nobody else performed.

 

[The Pado]

Sweden 1 - 0 Bulgaria after 33'

 

[simpson-juvefan]

agreed Padovano!! I think there is a lot of potential in the team and when they perform as they can they are very strong!

I think it would be wrong to change the system after this game!!