[EU] Champions League 2008/2009 (26 Viewers)

[V]

You claimed Xavi is the same as Tiago. That is not the case. If you think so, especially when Xavi has so many assists as he does, then you are indeed a retard. And yes, Xavi is indeed the brains of the team, because surely Busquets, Iniesta, et cetera, are not. All plays run through Xavi, as proven by his stats, and just by watching the game. Just fucking watch the game already, FFS.

Pirlo has done crap for the past two years. Zilch, zero, nothing.

No offense, Vlatko. I love your patriotism. But it really does make you look like a fool, especially when you claim Modric is better than Diego.

It's like me claiming Landon Donovan is better than Nasri, or some crap like that.

Get the fuck over it.

I said "kind of like Tiago", meaning they share similarities in some way. So you're the retard. Learn how to read.

Iniesta, is the brains to that team. Xavi is there to connect the dots and take set-pieces(which has a lot to do with his assists). Xavi will never be able to do the things Iniesta does, he'll never have that kind of vision and killer pass.

Pirlo is still the better player, even though he's out of form now. What, you're gonna tell me Di Vaio is a better player than Trezeguet, for example, just because he's on form currently?

Patriotism's got nothing to do with it. I have doubts to Diego. Huge ones. Just because we signed him, I hope I'm wrong and he doesn't pull a Quaresma. And because we signed him so easily without much competition from the bigger teams, goes to show he's not thought of so highly in Europe, by the bigger clubs.

That's an idiotic comparison. Donovan doesn't know how to play football, Modric does. Team of the tournament in the last Euro, 5th assister of the EPL in his debut season(2 shy from 1st place). That boy is going places and you'll see it.

 

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[Bjerknes]

My nation is yet to play against Azurri, but i doubt it will happen in the coming years unless we are put in the same group as them. But whenever there is a big tournament where Azurri participates and Latvia doesn't (and it's basically every tournament minus Euro2004), i support Azurri. Of course i am a fan of a club in Latvia, as i know some part of the stuff and players, but that doesn't disturb me while im watching Juventus game and it's the same when i support Azurri and Latvia, it's pretty much two different levels. If they play against each other, of course i will support my nation as im proud citizen of my country, even if they loose 5:0.

Opening up to recieve a pass is one of the main qualities for attacking player and i think Henry and Messi does it a lot better than the other players mentioned. Did you ever thought why Juventus play so many long passes? Yes, because there are no one in the closer areas available for the pass. I agree that Pirlo has lost it (and for some time now), but i still think that the more adorable quality of player is to do something unexpected, beat your opponent and score a goal like Eto'O did yesterday not to complete many simple passes through the game and few risky ones.

That didn't prove why Xavi is not one of his best in his position.

I don't think I've ever seen a dumber discussion in the world of football.

 

[Bjerknes]

I said "kind of like Tiago", meaning they share similarities in some way. So you're the retard. Learn how to read.

Iniesta, is the brains to that team. Xavi is there to connect the dots and take set-pieces(which has a lot to do with his assists). Xavi will never be able to do the things Iniesta does, he'll never have that kind of vision and killer pass.

Pirlo is still the better player, even though he's out of form now. What, you're gonna tell me Di Vaio is a better player than Trezeguet, for example, just because he's on form currently?

Patriotism's got nothing to do with it. I have doubts to Diego. Huge ones. Just because we signed him, I hope I'm wrong and he doesn't pull a Quaresma. And because we signed him so easily without much competition from the bigger teams, goes to show he's not thought of so highly in Europe, by the bigger clubs.

That's an idiotic comparison. Donovan doesn't know how to play football, Modric does. Team of the tournament in the last Euro, 5th assister of the EPL in his debut season(2 shy from 1st place). That boy is going places and you'll see it.

Actually, you probably know nothing about Donovan, all pent up in your Croatian shanty. He's actually decent, but I like to make fun of him because he's a pansy.

Again, the fact your Modric plays for a choker club like Spurs shows how great he is. Don't patronize me.

The Xavi - Tiago comparison really shows that you have a farce of a football understanding. Xavi's stats even show to the world he's a fantastic player, MUCH BETTER THAN MODRIC, so that's too bad for you.

I guess it sucks having your best player play for a worthless club, but get used to it.

It's absolutely incredible how people try to deny pure, proven talent. And absolutely shameful. The stats speak for them in entirety.

But that's okay. Xavi has another trophy to his name and faggots like Modric are at worthless clubs. OK by me.

 

[pitbull]

That didn't prove why Xavi is not one of his best in his position.

I don't think I've ever seen a dumber discussion in the world of football.

Do you think Eto'O is so much better than Trezeguet or he has the better service? Do you think Valdes is better than Buffon or the defence and protection from midfield is better? It's the same case with Xavi, different environment, easier to perform many assists and make a good stats for him. And i thought we were discussing how Xavi must be the MVP of the final or how he is out of this world or how he is worth Ballon d'Or. Of course he is one of the better players in his position but i can't see how many can say that he is the main key to sucess for Barca and Spain as there clearly where other stars too.

 

[Bjerknes]

Do you think Eto'O is so much better than Trezeguet or he has the better service? Do you think Valdes is better than Buffon or the defence and protection from midfield is better? It's the same case with Xavi, different environment, easier to perform many assists and make a good stats for him. And i thought we were discussing how Xavi must be the MVP of the final or how he is out of this world or how he is worth Ballon d'Or. Of course he is one of the better players in his position but i can't see how many can say that he is the main key to sucess for Barca and Spain as there clearly where other stars too.

:rolleyes2

Just look at his assists.

And nobody is saying he is the key man. We're saying he's one of the best midfielders in the world, so get over it.

And damn right I think Eto'o has better service than David... one of the reasons which is Xavi.

Jeez, you guys are jokes.

 

[V]

Actually, you probably know nothing about Donovan, all pent up in your Croatian shanty. He's actually decent, but I like to make fun of him because he's a pansy.

Again, the fact your Modric plays for a choker club like Spurs shows how great he is. Don't patronize me.

The Xavi - Tiago comparison really shows that you have a farce of a football understanding. Xavi's stats even show to the world he's a fantastic player, MUCH BETTER THAN MODRIC, so that's too bad for you.

I guess it sucks having your best player play for a worthless club, but get used to it.

It's absolutely incredible how people try to deny pure, proven talent. And absolutely shameful. The stats speak for them in entirety.

But that's okay. Xavi has another trophy to his name and faggots like Modric are at worthless clubs. OK by me.

1. Decent doesn't cut it. He's been in and out of Europe for years now, never really made a place for himself anywhere.

2. That choker club with Modric finished 8th in the much more competitive EPL, whereas your precious Diego finished 10th with Werder in Bundesliga. Your blind hate for all things English really makes your arguements mute.

3. I never compared Xavi's and Tiago's abilities, I compaired their behaviour on the pitch. Xavi is obviously the better player.

4. You bringing up Modric in a completely separate debate just proves your point was lost long ago to Seven, Sadomin, etc.

Fabregas, Pirlo, Iniesta, Seedorf, Xabi Alonso, etc. > Xavi

End of.

 

[pitbull]

And nobody is saying he is the key man.

Well ever since the final ended everyone in this thread can't stop praising Xavi, and actually many here said that he is, im too lazy to search concretely your posts. FFS, this key man couldn't do anything against Chelsea with all his vision and feeling how to dictate the game, only Iniesta deserves praise for Barca going through semis. Also the attacking trio made the most of goals themselves in CL (don't know about Spain and Copa del Rey, as i don't watch them), and Xavi's assists were nothing that spectacular. But if you are right about this one, than there are many nobodies in this forum.

 

[Sadomin]

Onto more important matters: Puyol is such a cunt. His performance was great last night, but incredibly ugly.

 

[icemaη]

His hair's like springs, maybe they can be used as shock absorbers in cars

 

[Seven]

De Rossi? No, he could not perform the same passes.

Pirlo? Now? No way, he's terrible now.

Xabi Alonso? He's better at long range passes, and doesn't have the short range and one on one ability as Xavi.

Cesc? Perhaps one day, but not right now.

Seedorf? Finished.

Gerrard? Amazing drive doesn't have the same brains and creativity as Xavi.

Busquets? What a joke.

Riquelme? Perhaps, but he's a proven choker, Xavi is not.

Diego? Perhaps, but he doesn't have the record of Xavi.

Give it up, Seven. Xavi has lead the best two teams of the past year. Don't be an idiot.

Busquets was a joke

As for the others, you weren't even able to dismiss them. I consider my point taken.

 

[Seven]

i'm not

its the same feeling that happened in rome when we won ajax 1996

But.. we didn't win it this time? Barcelona did.

 

[Bjerknes]

1. Decent doesn't cut it. He's been in and out of Europe for years now, never really made a place for himself anywhere.

But you don't know anything about our players, so don't act like you do. I know a lot about yours, because I like the Croatian NT.

2. That choker club with Modric finished 8th in the much more competitive EPL, whereas your precious Diego finished 10th with Werder in Bundesliga. Your blind hate for all things English really makes your arguements mute.

WOW! One player surely is the key to league table finishing.

Modric is not English, douchebag. I actually like the player. But people like you, yes, Croat fan boys who have no objectivity whatsoever, make me sick. And thus why I hope he falls flat on his ass.

3. I never compared Xavi's and Tiago's abilities, I compaired their behaviour on the pitch. Xavi is obviously the better player.

This is what you claimed.

"Xavi is kind of like Tiago. Good player which shines in a good enviroment. Iniesta on the other hand....now there's a fuckin' sick player. Probably the most important player in Barcelona in my opinion."

So yes, you compared Xavi to Tiago, by saying that Xavi is kind of like Tiago, which is clearly an insult to the player's capability.

YOU GOT THAT?

Fucking moron.

4. You bringing up Modric in a completely separate debate just proves your point was lost long ago to Seven, Sadomin, etc.

I don't have to bring up Modric to make you look like complete idiots. The stats speak for themselves, the displays speak for themselves, the record speak for themselves... what else do you want?

Xavi is proven one of the best midfielders in the world. Just get over it.

 

[Seven]

No, Andy, I don't think you got what he was trying to say. He said their attitude was similar. Xavi shines when he's playing in a good team that's playing well. So does Tiago. This doesn't take away that Xavi's the better player. That's what he meant and perhaps you're even misunderstanding him on purpose.

 

[Bjerknes]

Busquets was a joke

As for the others, you weren't even able to dismiss them. I consider my point taken.

Of course we can dismiss them. None of them had anywhere near the total of assists as Xavi had.

That simply debunks your queef posts.

 

[JCK]

this win is dedicated especially for you jack and other morons who suspected that barca is the greatest team ever.

Are they greater than Juve?

 

[Bjerknes]

No, Andy, I don't think you got what he was trying to say. He said their attitude was similar. Xavi shines when he's playing in a good team that's playing well. So does Tiago. This doesn't take away that Xavi's the better player. That's what he meant and perhaps you're even misunderstanding him on purpose.

Well, that just confirms he's a retard.

Xavi has performed well through all teams. He did well during Barca's most difficult times in the early 2000's.

But of course Vlatko's too worried about his own compatriots to notice, and I find it annoying.

 

[V]

But you don't know anything about our players, so don't act like you do. I know a lot about yours, because I like the Croatian NT.

I know as much about him as you do about Modric. I've watched him in some international games, I know he signed for Leverkusen when 17. I know enough.

WOW! One player surely is the key to league table finishing.

Modric is not English, douchebag. I actually like the player. But people like you, yes, Croat fan boys who have no objectivity whatsoever, make me sick. And thus why I hope he falls flat on his ass.

He was the most important player for Tottenham.

And you claimed they'll get relegated, which just goes to show your blind hatred for EPL and in this case Tottenham. No need to hide it.

This is what you claimed.

"Xavi is kind of like Tiago. Good player which shines in a good enviroment. Iniesta on the other hand....now there's a fuckin' sick player. Probably the most important player in Barcelona in my opinion."

So yes, you compared Xavi to Tiago, by saying that Xavi is kind of like Tiago, which is clearly an insult to the player's capability.

YOU GOT THAT?

Fucking moron.

"Kind of like", meaning "similar in a way". FFS, someone would think English is my first language, not yours.

I compaired them in a way that they bought require a higly effective midfield in order to shine. Which stands. I'd never compair their abilities because Tiago sucks. For lack of better arguements you're fabricating stuff.

I don't have to bring up Modric to make you look like complete idiots. The stats speak for themselves, the displays speak for themselves, the record speak for themselves... what else do you want?

Xavi is proven one of the best midfielders in the world. Just get over it.

I said "Xavi is a good player, Iniesta on the other hand is sick". I stated my opinion, you brought up Modric and called me a retard, again for lack of better arguements.

Again;
Fabregas, Pirlo, Iniesta, Seedorf, Xabi Alonso, etc. > Xavi

End of.

 

[sateeh]

No, Andy, I don't think you got what he was trying to say. He said their attitude was similar. Xavi shines when he's playing in a good team that's playing well. So does Tiago. This doesn't take away that Xavi's the better player. That's what he meant and perhaps you're even misunderstanding him on purpose.

Xavi was only shining light for a Barcelona team that was pretty average a few years back and he was considered one of the best players in the league when his team was not doing well.

I think he is on par with the other players mentioned on his average day and on his day he is better than them. The fact that he has been so consistent over the years proves how good of a player he is while players like pirlo for example haven't been playing well for a good couple of years now. He doesn't get as much exposure as Iniesta for example gets but controlling a midfield that well is such a difficult job and how he makes it easy is such a delight to watch. What makes him even better recently is due to his increased work rate, which is something that was lacking in his younger days.

 

[V]

No, Andy, I don't think you got what he was trying to say. He said their attitude was similar. Xavi shines when he's playing in a good team that's playing well. So does Tiago. This doesn't take away that Xavi's the better player. That's what he meant and perhaps you're even misunderstanding him on purpose.

He understand's perfectly but this is what he does. He completely ignores the other person's arguements, no matter how well they stand, and he fabricates stuff.

Kind of like debating with a wall. An immature, arrogant, spoilt wall.

 

[Fred]

Instead 10-year-old boys across the world are crying their eyes out.



Ronaldo was actually my vote for the best player on the night for Manchowder. Giggs was atrocious, and Rooney never showed up. So I would have to say Rooney was the biggest chokemonger on the night.

Of course, the opposite is true. Messi was fine and all, but I thought Puyol actually made all the difference for the club tonight -- more than anyone else. Never thought I'd say this of the guy, but he deserved Man of the Match.

I thought VDS was Man Utd's best player by a country mile. The saves he pulled off yesterday kept United in the game.

Jeez, now being an Azurri fan is pathetic? It's two million times better than cheering for fucking Spanish club. I know, your big hate towards english and stuff, but when you started calling nonexistent penalties in Barca favour it started to get a bit ugly.

Xavi is great and stuff, but Seven has a point there, altough the guy has had a great year, the ones next to him deserve the same credit if not bigger for using his passes, it's not like Xavi did something out of this world like someones are trying to insist, it's a lot easier to find Henry and Messi then Rooney and Park or Quagliarella and Pepe.

1) Why is supporting the Azzurri better than supporting a Spanish club?? All due respect mate, but that doesn't really make any sense.

2) Why do the ones next to him deserve more credit than Xavi does? Doesn't Iniesta play in the same team as Xavi, How come he doesn't have as much assists?

I'm using the Iniesta comparison, instead of Cesc, Pirlo or De Rossi, so that you won't tell me it's easier to pass to Messi and Henry than X and X.

Also, i am not saying Xavi is the better player than Iniesta, i rate Iniesta extremely highly. What i am saying is that Xavi is actually a better passer than Iniesta.

3) How exactly is it easier to find Messi and Henry??
When talking about movement in the final third, Barca are actually a bit lacking in that department imo. Their off the ball movement is brilliant all over the pitch, but when it comes to the final third, Barca's players are actually a bit reluctant to make runs behind the defense, which makes Xavi's task a bit harder actually. Players like Messi, Iniesta and even Eto'o sometimes just want the ball at their feet instead of making runs for Xavi behind the defense.

4) How are you saying Xavi didn't do much special? Do you know why Henry and Eto'o have so much goals? It's because of this man Xavi, i don't know how you can see him pass the ball around with ease, split defenses with his magical through balls and then say he isn't doing anything special.

You're so predictable. Each time someone makes a valid point, you bring on the retard business. Really adds to your arguement.

No, Xavi is not an amazing player. Not close to Fabregas, not close to Pirlo. Deal with it. Put him in any other team than Barcelona, he'd sink without a trace. He's good, but not as good as you make him out to be. He ain't the brains of that team.

And again, yes, Modric is the better player.

But he was put in another team, and he did admirably well, didn't he? Do you not agree that Xavi is a vital player for his NT too? Isn't that like saying, put DP in another team and he'd sink without a trace? In fact that would be more valid, because unlike DP for his NT, Xavi has always been a very good player for the Spanish NT. Now i'm not saying that DP wouldn't do well in another team, i'm just saying that if you say that about Xavi, then the same thing can be applied to DP.

Also, Cesc isn't as good as Xavi. Maybe in the future he will be, as Xavi wasn't as special as little Cesc is at 21. But then again, there's no guarantee that Cesc will develop anymore, maybe this is his peak, maybe not. We can speculate forever, but instead we can talk about the present. The present says that Xavi has always performed better than Cesc, both for his club and his NT.

Well ever since the final ended everyone in this thread can't stop praising Xavi, and actually many here said that he is, im too lazy to search concretely your posts. FFS, this key man couldn't do anything against Chelsea with all his vision and feeling how to dictate the game, only Iniesta deserves praise for Barca going through semis. Also the attacking trio made the most of goals themselves in CL (don't know about Spain and Copa del Rey, as i don't watch them), and Xavi's assists were nothing that spectacular. But if you are right about this one, than there are many nobodies in this forum.

Actually Iniesta was much worse than Xavi in the Chelsea game. He just made people forget his horrible performance with his last gasp goal.