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JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Juventus would've had many more CLs if the best team in the whole tournament was supposed to win it all. And we would have won more if the referees were disallowing clear goals or not giving penalties against us/giving phantom penalties in our favor.

The form through out the tournament means shit in a competition like the CL when you don't face the exact same teams as the others do and where H2H matches are what counts. Barcelona were boring and clueless against Chelsea, they couldn't create shit and what's most important, the referee was their best player. The referee single-handedly took them to the final.
Just imagine the reactions here if he did that against Barcelona. It would have been much worse than it is with my reactions. You know it, Tahir knows it, Altair knows it and Andy knows it the best.
You're being jealous :andyandbarcelona:
 

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David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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why do you guys want to hear that Chelsea were the better team?
is it cuz they knocked us out of the CL?
Barca played or at least tried to play like they always do
Chelsea fortified their defence and waited for a slip from Barca and ran into the wide open field
Chelsea did well but not good enough, they should have taken their chance when they were up and Barca reduced to ten
its as simple as that
when you are in the lead and your opponent is down to ten tou don't concede a goal , no excuse
how can y,ou say they outplayed Barca?
it's always easier to defend then to attack and they were down a man
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
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why do you guys want to hear that Chelsea were the better team?
is it cuz they knocked us out of the CL?
Barca played or at least tried to play like they always do
Chelsea fortified their defence and waited for a slip from Barca and ran into the wide open field
Chelsea did well but not good enough, they should have taken their chance when they were up and Barca reduced to ten
its as simple as that
when you are in the lead and tour opponent is down to ten tou don't concede a goal , no excuse
how can y,ou say they outplayed Barca?
it's always easier to defend then to attack and they were down a man
We want to hear Chelsea were the better team because they were. Barca tried to play like they always do and they failed miserably. Barca had one shot on goal and never looked dangerous apart from the goal. Chelsea were much better in attack and could have been 3-0 up, and you're saying they fortified their defence?

Your bias is ridiculous. Get out of this bubble.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Barca played or at least tried to play like they always do
They didn't play, but yes, they tried to play as they always do.
You know why is that? Because they are so one dimensional and they know shit about tactics, about playing different styles, at different tempo. When someone reads through them they become clueless and they have no way to change something.

Chelsea know how to play against different styles. They can give you a thriller with open and attacking play (Liverpool), they can give you a defensive master-piece, they can play many different formations, they can play at fast pace, at slow pace....just choose.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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They didn't play, but yes, they tried to play as they always do.
You know why is that? Because they are so one dimensional and they know shit about tactics, about playing different styles, at different tempo. When someone reads through them they become clueless and they have no way to change something.
How dare you say that? Barcelona ARE football.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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How dare you say that? Barcelona ARE football.
I won't tell you what i think of that because i fear the reactions. I fear the anger.

So i'll just say: FUCK Atletico Madrid, fuck River plate, fuck Steaua, fuck Nantes, fuck every single team out there but Barcelona.
 

David01

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Aug 20, 2006
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We want to hear Chelsea were the better team because they were. Barca tried to play like they always do and they failed miserably. Barca had one shot on goal and never looked dangerous apart from the goal. Chelsea were much better in attack and could have been 3-0 up, and you're saying they fortified their defence?

Your bias is ridiculous. Get out of this bubble.
an prime example of an unbiased person
and I was thinking this was a Juve forum
:andyandbarcelona:
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Jack, you remember the build-up to Milan-Barcelona in 1994?
The Italians just set a domestic record. Capello's team conceded only 15 goals on 34 matches in what was the best league in the world at the time. They won serie A with only 36 scored goals and had the 6th worst attack in the whole league, but due to their defense they won the league.
In CL they made the final that year with only 2 conceded goals before the final match.
That team was all defense, with 4 strong defenders, combative midfield, like Manchester's, and with only Boban, Savicevic and Massaro doing damage up front.

On the other side there was this dream team with Romario, Stoichkov and other magicians. Barcelona won the league that year with whooping 91 goals scored. 37 goals more than the second placed team in Spain.
People did respect Milan's overall quality, tactics, Savicevic's genius, but it was all Barca before the final. The most exciting team of all time.

4:0 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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Jack, you remember the build-up to Milan-Barcelona in 1994?
The Italians just set a domestic record. Capello's team conceded only 15 goals on 34 matches in what was the best league in the world at the time. They won serie A with only 36 scored goals and had the 6th worst attack in the whole league, but due to their defense they won the league.
In CL they made the final that year with only 2 conceded goals before the final match.
That team was all defense, with 4 strong defenders, combative midfield, like Manchester's, and with only Boban, Savicevic and Massaro doing damage up front.

On the other side there was this dream team with Romario, Stoichkov and other magicians. Barcelona won the league that year with whooping 91 goals scored. 37 goals more than the second placed team in Spain.
People did respect Milan's overall quality, tactics, Savicevic's genius, but it was all Barca before the final. The most exciting team of all time.

4:0 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I remember that match like it was yesterday and will always remember it as such. The biggest reason was that because the match brought me brought me 300 USD in wins that time. It was a lot of money for a student. The bet was 100 USD for the match winner and 50 USD for each goal.

I remember the build-up so damn well, I remember the headlines roaming around the theme of how the best defence will be able to deal with the World's best attack.

I remember how Romario was supposed to dance his way through Maldini and Galli. I remember how Desailly and Albertini's one dimensional football was no match to Hristo's magic.

I remember exactly how football was to win against the anti-football.

I remember most though the choking. I remember in details the clueless posession and I remember and will never forget how the real football FAILED.
 

JCK

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When I laber Guardiola as a choker, I have clearest in mind that match. HE CHOKED! Desailly the limited midfielder OUTCLASSED Guardiola's magic.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Of course Barca are a very good team, but I claimed that Barca's thrashing of Bayern was to a large degree due to Bayern's lack of quality and wrong approach. This was disregarded as bollocks by many of the experts here who were dead certain of Barca's superiority to everyone.

The Juve of this season, when it was in top form, would have had a good chance of beating them.
No you wouldn't, i'm sorry but Juventus don't even come close to Barca this year. Chelsea, Liverpool, Barca and Man Utd are the best 4 teams in Europe this year, and they are a level above everybody else.

Juventus would've had many more CLs if the best team in the whole tournament was supposed to win it all. And we would have won more if the referees were disallowing clear goals or not giving penalties against us/giving phantom penalties in our favor.

The form through out the tournament means shit in a competition like the CL when you don't face the exact same teams as the others do and where H2H matches are what counts. Barcelona were boring and clueless against Chelsea, they couldn't create shit and what's most important, the referee was their best player. The referee single-handedly took them to the final.
Just imagine the reactions here if he did that against Barcelona. It would have been much worse than it is with my reactions. You know it, Tahir knows it, Altair knows it and Andy knows it the best.
Yes it doesn't mean shit if you lose. You're absolutely spot on about that. But Barca have been better than Chelsea the whole tournament other than the two games against Chelsea, yet they still won and with 10 men as well and in Chelsea's own turf too. You call that lucky, i call it resilience.

No way you can argue that you aren't biased now though, thats for sure.

We want to hear Chelsea were the better team because they were. Barca tried to play like they always do and they failed miserably. Barca had one shot on goal and never looked dangerous apart from the goal. Chelsea were much better in attack and could have been 3-0 up, and you're saying they fortified their defence?

Your bias is ridiculous. Get out of this bubble.
That's right. I think so too, they stifled Barca and they played better. Abidal was wrongly sent off, Barca's already weakened defense was weakened even further. Yet Chelsea did not attack Barca, they gave them too much respect, in the end they paid for their over conservatism. That's football. Barca deserve to be in the final.

You guys dont have to feel so bad though, as Barca are certainly losing to Man Utd imo, so you guys will have the last laugh unfortunately.
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
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No you wouldn't, i'm sorry but Juventus don't even come close to Barca this year. Chelsea, Liverpool, Barca and Man Utd are the best 4 teams in Europe this year, and they are a level above everybody else.
We would have a good chance. We would not have been thrashed, and even if we wouldn't win we would have put up a good fight. Some posters were giving the impression that Barca would have slaughtered us the way they did Bayern, but I disagree completely.

It's all hypothetical however. Hopefully we'll face them next year.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Fred, don't you think that Chelsea wanted at all costs to avoid another Chelsea - Liverpool?
I think you understood me wrong mate. I never said it was wrong for them to play in the conservative way that they did. That's their choice, they thought they couldn't match Barca if they both played attacking football, that is understandable. But do you not agree that they should have attacked Barca's weak defense more when they were a man down. I am positive they would have scored at least another goal if they pressured Barca's defense enough.
 
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