[EU] Champions League 2008/2009 (49 Viewers)

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Jul 29, 2008
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They're both miles behind. Serie A has better teams now anyway in the CL than France and Germany.
Are you sure??Do you know that for Uefa Cup they get same points as for CL? Shalke and Gertha won today, Werder draw - 7points/3teams=2,xxx
Inter + Roma = 3points/2teams = 1,5

I know that we need to count ALL teams but that proportion is 90%right
 

Alen

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Are you sure??Do you know that for Uefa Cup they get same points as for CL? Shalke and Gertha won today, Werder draw - 7points/3teams=2,xxx
Inter + Roma = 3points/2teams = 1,5

I know that we need to count ALL teams but that proportion is 90%right
You should divide the pts with the numbers of teams participating from the particular country, AFTER ALL of them play. Only then you can get a more clear picture

FYI, Schalke didn't even make it to CL, they were eliminated in the qualifiers. Just for qualifying for CL you win 3pts. The Italians got 4x3 = 12 pts while the Germans got 2x3= 6 pts there.
Also, Werder had a very bad result themselves today.

And you forgot that the Italians have 6 more teams to play tomorrow and on Thursday while the Germans have only 3 teams left for this round.

The other rivals, the French, lost both their matches today.
 
Jul 29, 2008
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You should divide the pts with the numbers of teams participating from the particular country, AFTER ALL of them play. Only then you can get a more clear picture

FYI, Schalke didn't even make it to CL, they were eliminated in the qualifiers. Just for qualifying for CL you win 3pts. The Italians got 4x3 = 12 pts while the Germans got 2x3= 6 pts there.
Also, Werder had a very bad result themselves today.

And you forgot that the Italians have 6 more teams to play tomorrow and on Thursday while the Germans have only 3 teams left for this round.

The other rivals, the French, lost both their matches today.
BUT!! In uefa they get much more points, and as i said Uefa win = CL win

And man, i dont "make tragedy" of Roma's lost, but its not the best time for Serie A to smile at their disaster.. In Serie A theey can loose every game lol:lol: But in Cl...
 

Alen

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BUT!! In uefa they get much more points, and as i said Uefa win = CL win
Yes, i'm perfectly aware how UEFA counts the points. I know that a win/draw in UEFA Cup is equal to the win/draw in CL.
If Italians keep losing in Europe they do risk to lose the 3rd place, i know. But if you check better, you'll see that the Germans and the French aren't doing any better and it's really hard to expect them to take over the 3rd place from Italy.
The English and the Spanish made a big difference but it makes absolutely no difference if you're 1st, 2nd or 3rd in UEFA standings, because all of them give 4 teams in CL.

Italy lost a lot with Calciopoli. Teams like Empoli and Chievo were given a chance to represent them in Europe. That's why Italians lost ground. Now when the strongest teams are back, they will never let the Bundesliga take the 3rd place.

And also......i'm one of those who think that if you win the 4th place in the league you don't even deserve to play CL. I'm willing to take that risk only 3 Italian teams to play in CL. Like i said, it's hard to expect that to happen, but if it happens then so be it. We are Juve, we must be in top 3. If we won't, then we don't deserve CL.
 

Alen

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But why would it be more deserved to play the CHAMPIONS League if you finnish 3rd than if you finnish 4th?
It's not, neither is 2nd, if we go with the "CHAMPIONS" logic.
I was talking about Juve and serie A. In serie A, with only two other big names of European football that are just as rich or richer than us, we really won't deserve to play in the league with the other big names of European football if we're worst than these two (Milan and Inter) AND another team.
 

Esteban

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good point. Imo the CL should be about the champions from each country, and atmost the runner ups from each league.
Nah, that would suck because it would have a lot of Djurgården, Brann, Bate Borisov, Hafnarfjordur, Drogheda United, Bangor City, Levski Sofia, Levadia Tallinn and the likes in it. Renaming the tournament looks a better suggestion to me.


It's not, neither is 2nd, if we go with the "CHAMPIONS" logic.
I was talking about Juve and serie A. In serie A, with only two other big names of European football that are just as rich or richer than us, we really won't deserve to play in the league with the other big names of European football if we're worst than these two (Milan and Inter) AND another team.
That's one way to look at it.
 
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