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swag

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I must confess. As much as I wanted to see Hiddink's highly flawed catenaccio russo gameplan blow up in his face, I still want to see a PK awarded against Piqué for at least the curiosity factor.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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Even if it's true i don't see where is the problem? People do it all the time with Manchester United or the entire EPL, for example.


I apologize if i did that. But i don't know when did i do that. Which members are you talking about?
Sure, you can pick to dislike or hate whatever you like (except for Nancy. I'll break you neck if you say something bad) but it's very odd how much you've been focusing on Barca lately. It's almost like seeing Jack version 2.0, except without the good sense of humor.

and it was Andy who you were picking on (although truth be told it's always fun to pick on Andy just to see he's he's overreactions :D)
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Did you not see the word "almost" there? Did you not think that it was put intentionally?

I assumed we all watch Italian football here, so my assumption was that when i said almost, everybody will understand why the word "almost" was there. Well it looks like i have to spell it out for you after all. Other than the Sweden- Italy game in Euro 2004 and the Inter- Milan game of 2006-2007 most Nesta - Zlatan duels ended up for the former.
I have to ask you again Fred: Do you have a clue what are you talking about?

Lets see:
In the last two seasons Nesta didn't play vs Zlatan. In the season before that Inter were all over Milan and comfortably won both matches and Zlatan scored on both matches (for 3:0 in the first match and for 2:1, the winner, in the second match).

This leaves us with Zlatan in Juve. On two of the 4 matches in those 2 seasons Zlatan didn't play. Once he was suspended for 3 matches and he missed the Milan-Juve match (the one Juve won with Trez's header) and once he was injured.
This leaves us with two more matches and Zlatan was indeed owned here, but not by Nesta because Nesta wasn't marking Zlatan.

Who was marking Zlatan then on those two matches?
The answer goes in your favor if you wanna say that Zlatan choked there, because the guy who was marking him was the 40 years old Costacurta. Milan fans still enjoy the thought of Costacurta completly shuting Zlatan down. But in this particular discussion we're having it makes no difference because it wasn't Nesta.



Did anybody say that?
Yes, otherwise i wouldn't have mentioned it. Antares said it more than once.
 

tassard

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Jul 30, 2004
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I have to ask you again Fred: Do you have a clue what are you talking about?

Lets see:
In the last two seasons Nesta didn't play vs Zlatan. In the season before that Inter were all over Milan and comfortably won both matches and Zlatan scored on both matches (for 3:0 in the first match and for 2:1, the winner, in the second match).

Wasn't it 4-3 and 2-1 with 2 goals score from Cruz in the 2nd game?
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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I look forward to seeing Man Utd's 'attacking' football in the final.

They will just sit deep and tear Barca a new one on the break.
Despite their glory hunting fans, I can't help but admire their style of play, their efficiency, their never say die attitude, and their flexibility.

Ferguson has built a truly complete 11 with a good bench.

if there is one team I want us to be like in terms of play and tactics, it ManU

ironic though.
 
Sep 1, 2002
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Despite their glory hunting fans, I can't help but admire their style of play, their efficiency, their never say die attitude, and their flexibility.

Ferguson has built a truly complete 11 with a good bench.

if there is one team I want us to be like in terms of play and tactics, it ManU

ironic though.
Our shirt is nicer though.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I have to ask you again Fred: Do you have a clue what are you talking about?

Lets see:
In the last two seasons Nesta didn't play vs Zlatan. In the season before that Inter were all over Milan and comfortably won both matches and Zlatan scored on both matches (for 3:0 in the first match and for 2:1, the winner, in the second match).

This leaves us with Zlatan in Juve. On two of the 4 matches in those 2 seasons Zlatan didn't play. Once he was suspended for 3 matches and he missed the Milan-Juve match (the one Juve won with Trez's header) and once he was injured.
This leaves us with two more matches and Zlatan was indeed owned here, but not by Nesta because Nesta wasn't marking Zlatan.

Who was marking Zlatan then on those two matches?
The answer goes in your favor if you wanna say that Zlatan choked there, because the guy who was marking him was the 40 years old Costacurta. Milan fans still enjoy the thought of Costacurta completly shuting Zlatan down. But in this particular discussion we're having it makes no difference because it wasn't Nesta.




Yes, otherwise i wouldn't have mentioned it. Antares said it more than once.
I distinctly remember Nesta taking Zlatan completely out of the match in the game that Inter won 2-1 two years ago i think. The one where Cambiasso scored the winner. Thats just off the top of my head, i am pretty sure he has owned him more than once. Plus even if you take Zlatan's two games against Milan this year, especially the first one, he was non existent there as well.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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That won't be boring like Chelsea's sit back and hoof the ball up to Drogba(no offense Alen). I think it will be an entertaining game.
Sure.

I'm merely suggesting that the people who think both teams will go out with attacking mind-set are wrong.

Despite their glory hunting fans, I can't help but admire their style of play, their efficiency, their never say die attitude, and their flexibility.

Ferguson has built a truly complete 11 with a good bench.

if there is one team I want us to be like in terms of play and tactics, it ManU

ironic though.
Nothing wrong with aspiring to be as good as the best.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Sure.

I'm merely suggesting that the people who think both teams will go out with attacking mind-set are wrong.



Nothing wrong with aspiring to be as good as the best.
Definitely not mate. Man Utd didn't go gung ho on Barca last season, they definitely wont do it this season.
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
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I distinctly remember Nesta taking Zlatan completely out of the match in the game that Inter won 2-1 two years ago i think. The one where Cambiasso scored the winner. Thats just off the top of my head, i am pretty sure he has owned him more than once. Plus even if you take Zlatan's two games against Milan this year, especially the first one, he was non existent there as well.
So the conclusion is that he shows up in some big games, and he doesn't show up in some. Still you were quick to brand him as a choker like all EPL fans and say he only scores against Reggina and the likes, something which has now been disproven.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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So the conclusion is that he shows up in some big games, and he doesn't show up in some. Still you were quick to brand him as a choker like all EPL fans and say he only scores against Reggina and the likes, something which has now been disproven.

I do not consider myself an Epl fan. I am only an Arsenal fan, you can however consider me a Ligue fan to some extent, because i always support French teams against other teams, but i dont really consider myself a Ligue fan either. Just saying you'd be closer to the truth if you called me a Ligue fan than an EPL fan.

Zlatan is a choker, he hasn't performed well against Juve other than the first game of this season. He has only performed well a couple of times against Milan, but most of the time he has been shut down and marked out of the game and he almost never performs well against the top clubs of Europe. Maybe other than the Juve - Real game.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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I distinctly remember Nesta taking Zlatan completely out of the match in the game that Inter won 2-1 two years ago i think. The one where Cambiasso scored the winner. Thats just off the top of my head, i am pretty sure he has owned him more than once. Plus even if you take Zlatan's two games against Milan this year, especially the first one, he was non existent there as well.
Your initial post regarding this matter was that Zlatan was owned/choked almost always when Nesta plays. That wasn't true at all.

I stand corrected on last season's first match though. I know that Nesta didn't play at all in 2008 and 2009 but i ignored the first part of the 07/08 season. Nesta did play and (i don't remember tbh) he might have taken good care of Zlatan. But even if he did, that's the only case. I remember all the Juve-Milan matches where Zlatan and Nesta played (2 matches total) perfectly well and i remember just as perfectly how annoying Zlatan was when Costacurta was owning him left and right, i know that Nesta didn't play on the last Inter-Milan matches, so that leaves only 3 matches that i don't remember well, and those were the matches in Zlatan's first season and a half in Inter. On two of these matches he scored, while on that third one Nesta might have been the better of the two.
Still, it's one single match. Not even close to what you said that Zlatan is owned almost everytime he plays against Nesta. On the contrary.
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
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Zlatan is a choker, he hasn't performed well against Juve other than the first game of this season. He has only performed well a couple of times against Milan, but most of the time he has been shut down and marked out of the game and he almost never performs well against the top clubs of Europe. Maybe other than the Juve - Real game.
Isn't it quite telling that every time he's been poor in the CL finals, his team has been poor and kicked out? Inter have nothing but Zlatan in terms of creativity, as opposed to Barca who can survive even when Messi is shut down.

The player's been very good against Italy, Spain, Milan (at least 3 times), Bayern, Real etc in important games, and he's also decided very important games against lesser sides like Parma and Hungary. That should be enough to show that he is capable of performing when it matters. How many players show up in every single big game they play? Messi hasn't been much better and yet that is never mentioned.

Ronaldo was completely invisible twice against Sweden this season. Zlatan played the first game and was definitely the better player. Do you reckon anyone but Swedish supporters will point this out?
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Your initial post regarding this matter was that Zlatan was owned/choked almost always when Nesta plays. That wasn't true at all.

I stand corrected on last season's first match though. I know that Nesta didn't play at all in 2008 and 2009 but i ignored the first part of the 07/08 season. Nesta did play and (i don't remember tbh) he might have taken good care of Zlatan. But even if he did, that's the only case. I remember all the Juve-Milan matches where Zlatan and Nesta played (2 matches total) perfectly well and i remember just as perfectly how annoying Zlatan was when Costacurta was owning him left and right, i know that Nesta didn't play on the last Inter-Milan matches, so that leaves only 3 matches that i don't remember well, and those were the matches in Zlatan's first season and a half in Inter. On two of these matches he scored, while on that third one Nesta might have been the better of the two.
Still, it's one single match. Not even close to what you said that Zlatan is owned almost everytime he plays against Nesta. On the contrary.
But even in the game that Zlatan scored in, the one where Cruz stole the ball of Jankluvoski in the end. He didnt play well at all. I'm not sure if Nesta played in that game, i dont think so though.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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But even in the game that Zlatan scored in, the one where Cruz stole the ball of Jankluvoski in the end. He didnt play well at all. I'm not sure if Nesta played in that game, i dont think so though.
This is a whole new discussion though. I was only replying to the Nesta part.
I'll let Sadomin have this discussion with you. :D
 
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