Eto'o (4 Viewers)

[Maher]

What terrible season are you guys talking about? He has been injured most of the season yet managed to score crucial goals.

And seriously, just because he plays for Barcelona doesn't mean anything. He's one damn great player whether some of you like it or not. He's not only a finisher style, but more like a player you can depend on inside and outside the penalty box.

 

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[HelterSkelter]

Your argument makes no sense. You say Eto'o isn't half as good as David, but then go on to say Samuel is the better all around player. So what, are we counting finishing twice as much the amount of everything else a forward should do?

It's strange you haven't even checked the stats. Eto'o actually has a higher strike rate than David. But I suppose that doesn't matter. So what are we basing this rating on?

I say Eto isnt half as good as Trezeguet in terms of finishing.Eto is a more complete player than Trezeguet,but as far as finishing is concerned,Trezeguet is miles ahead of him.Eto is not as good a finisher as people make him out to be,and this is what im rating him on.Eto has a higher strikerate than Trezeguet because of the midfield that backs him up.A player in Eto's position will get countless chances because of the creativity that backs him up in midfield.Trezeguet on the other hand,does not have the luxury of so much creativity.The goal scoring chances that he gets are less than the ones Eto gets.This is the what ive been saying for the last 2 pages.Put someone like Trezeguet or RVN with Barcelona's midfield,and they'd score more goals than Eto has.Both of them are much better finishers than Eto.I Repeat,FINISHERS.

you talk about stats,lets have stats :

Eto at Mallorca had 54 goals in 134 matches
Eto for the Cameroon NT has 19 goals in 64 matches.
Eto at Barcelona has 76 goals in 107 matches(Till Jan 2008)

Trezeguet at Monaco had 52 goals in 93 matches.
Trezeguet for the French NT has 34 goals in 74 matches.
Trezeguet for Juve has 126 goals in 210 matches(Till Jan 2008)

The only time Eto's had a better strike rate than Trezeguet was at Barcelona,because of the creaitivty that backed him up in midfield...and even there the difference between the 2 isnt huge.David has probably done much better because he's had to live off an uncreative midfield,unlike Eto.Trezeguet's career strikerate pawns Eto's.

What stats are you talking about now?

 

[Maher]

etoo scored 15 goals this season although he was out for 3 months

 

[HelterSkelter]

And he needed what,782 chances for them?

Ive got nothing against Eto as a player,but please,he is not a deadley finisher as people will have you believe.He can ever fall under the same class of finishers as Trezeguet.

 

[Maher]

And he needed what,782 chances for them?

Ive got nothing against Eto as a player,but please,he is not a deadley finisher as people will have you believe.He can ever fall under the same class of finishers as Trezeguet.

they are not the same type of players , etoo dont wait unside the area just to score , he moves a lot outside the area.if he plays like trez insdie the area i am sure he would have scored more goals

 

[HelterSkelter]

Yes they're not the same players.He does contribute a lot to other aspects too..but..

Is Eto as good a finisher as Trezeguet?No he isnt.So what are we arguing about?My entire argument is based on his finishing abilities.Not his overall game.

 

[Bjerknes]

I say Eto isnt half as good as Trezeguet in terms of finishing.Eto is a more complete player than Trezeguet,but as far as finishing is concerned,Trezeguet is miles ahead of him.Eto is not as good a finisher as people make him out to be,and this is what im rating him on.Eto has a higher strikerate than Trezeguet because of the midfield that backs him up.A player in Eto's position will get countless chances because of the creativity that backs him up in midfield.Trezeguet on the other hand,does not have the luxury of so much creativity.The goal scoring chances that he gets are less than the ones Eto gets.This is the what ive been saying for the last 2 pages.Put someone like Trezeguet or RVN with Barcelona's midfield,and they'd score more goals than Eto has.Both of them are much better finishers than Eto.I Repeat,FINISHERS.

you talk about stats,lets have stats :

Eto at Mallorca had 54 goals in 134 matches
Eto for the Cameroon NT has 19 goals in 64 matches.
Eto at Barcelona has 76 goals in 107 matches(Till Jan 2008)

Trezeguet at Monaco had 52 goals in 93 matches.
Trezeguet for the French NT has 34 goals in 74 matches.
Trezeguet for Juve has 126 goals in 210 matches(Till Jan 2008)

The only time Eto's had a better strike rate than Trezeguet was at Barcelona,because of the creaitivty that backed him up in midfield...and even there the difference between the 2 isnt huge.David has probably done much better because he's had to live off an uncreative midfield,unlike Eto.Trezeguet's career strikerate pawns Eto's.

What stats are you talking about now?

So you think Cameroon is as good as the French national team? You think Mallorca is as good as Monaco throughout the years? You have some researching to do, sir.

I just cannot believe you can be so shortsighted to say Eto'o is overrated when he dribbles past so many defenders and has such a high strike rate at Barca. You even go on to say that he's overrated because he doesn't have as high a strike rate as Trezeguet in national football, where you conveniently leave out the fact that France is 20 times the team Cameroon happens to be. I'm talking about the strike rate for two of the best sides ever in Europe... Juventus and Barcelona.

While I'd still take Trezeguet over Eto'o, you're a fool for saying the latter is overrated because he can do everything Trezeguet cannot do. It's obvious you are biased against him in some way and the facts we have presented today clearly show people that.

Not sure why you hate Eto'o, but again, it's probably because you hate Barcelona. Stop being a jealous little person.

 

[Maher]

So you think Cameroon is as good as the French national team? You think Mallorca is as good as Monaco throughout the years? You have some researching to do, sir.

I just cannot believe you can be so shortsighted to say Eto'o is overrated when he dribbles past so many defenders and has such a high strike rate at Barca. You even go on to say that he's overrated because he doesn't have as high a strike rate as Trezeguet in national football, where you conveniently leave out the fact that France is 20 times the team Cameroon happens to be. I'm talking about the strike rate for two of the best sides ever in Europe... Juventus and Barcelona.

While I'd still take Trezeguet over Eto'o, you're a fool for saying the latter is overrated because he can do everything Trezeguet cannot do. It's obvious you are biased against him in some way and the facts we have presented today clearly show people that.

Not sure why you hate Eto'o, but again, it's probably because you hate Barcelona. Stop being a jealous little person.

i agree with you for the first time andy

 

[HelterSkelter]

Barcelona hate?Not one bit.Id love some of their players at Juventsus.

And dribbling,dribbling blah blah..whereas i keep on repeating that im talking about FINISHING,and finishnig ALONE.Im saying Eto is an overated finisher,and yes,that he is.Ive repeated this multiple times.Im not talking about who adds more to the game.


Tell me this..is Eto is a better finisher than David?Because that is what im talking about here.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes they're not the same players.He does contribute a lot to other aspects too..but..

Is Eto as good a finisher as Trezeguet?No he isnt.So what are we arguing about?My entire argument is based on his finishing abilities.Not his overall game.

Nobody says Eto'o is a better finisher than Trezeguet. We are arguing with you because you had the idiocy to say Eto'o is overrated and needless.

 

[Bjerknes]

Barcelona hate?Not one bit.Id love some of their players at Juventsus.

And dribbling,dribbling blah blah..whereas i keep on repeating that im talking about FINISHING,and finishnig ALONE.Im saying Eto is an overated finisher,and yes,that he is.Ive repeated this multiple times.Im not talking about who adds more to the game,im not talking about one aspect here.

Are you suggesting that Eto is a better finisher than David?

You didn't specify that in your first post regarding the subject, dude. It was a mindless post, just admit it.

 

[HelterSkelter]

I never used the word finisher in that post perhaps,but my whole argument was based on the chances he gets,and the ones he utilizes,which is talking about his finishing abilties,without mentionning the world itself.

 

[Bjerknes]

His striking rate is not phenomenal.Stats alone do not tell the story.Eto is not one of the best in the world by any means.His goals/season ratio looks good because he has players like Messi,Iniesta,Deco etc behind him.For every goal that he scores,he missed 3 chances.When you have such creative players in your midfield,you will score lots of goals,but that does not mean that you are great.Had someone like Trezeguet or RVN been in Eto's place,they would have scored much more goals than him.Frankly,i dont see Eto scoring as many goals with us.Our midfield does not boast of the same creativity that Barcelona's midfield does,and Eto will struggle to score with any team that does not give him tons and tons of chances,for he needs them to get one goal in.And no,im not talking about this season alone.Im talking about his entire Barcelona career.Eto has always been an average finsher.The fact that his midfield gives him countless chances is what makes him look good.

Overrated player.Not worth the money.At best,he is a good player.Trezeguet is his daddy.

Look, this is what you stated originally, Salman.

Re-read it. Do you even understand what you're saying?

 

[Kosta]

Trezeguet has by far better goal celebrations.

That should be taken into consideration when you compare them.

 

[HelterSkelter]

His striking rate is not phenomenal.Stats alone do not tell the story.Eto is not one of the best in the world by any means.His goals/season ratio looks good because he has players like Messi,Iniesta,Deco etc behind him.For every goal that he scores,he missed 3 chances.When you have such creative players in your midfield,you will score lots of goals,but that does not mean that you are great.Had someone like Trezeguet or RVN been in Eto's place,they would have scored much more goals than him.Frankly,i dont see Eto scoring as many goals with us.Our midfield does not boast of the same creativity that Barcelona's midfield does,and Eto will struggle to score with any team that does not give him tons and tons of chances,for he needs them to get one goal in.And no,im not talking about this season alone.Im talking about his entire Barcelona career.Eto has always been an average finsher.The fact that his midfield gives him countless chances is what makes him look good.

Overrated player.Not worth the money.At best,he is a good player.Trezeguet is his daddy.

the word 'Player' in the last sentence was wrongly used perhaps,but thats it.Replace it with 'Finisher' and we're back to square one.Everything else that i wrote was about his finishing ability.

 

[Bjerknes]

I never used the word finisher in that post perhaps,but my whole argument was based on the chances he gets,and the ones he utilizes,which is talking about his finishing abilties,without mentionning the world itself.

But you said striking rate... at Barcelona, a comparable club to Juventus, he has a higher strike rate than David does at Juventus. And you also said overrated because his strike rate isn't that good yet neglected the fact he can do everything Trezeguet cannot do.

Just face it dude, you're being owned here. Give it up. Eto'o is a great player who is not overrated.

 

[Bjerknes]

the word 'Player' in the last sentence was wrongly used perhaps,but thats it.Replace it with 'Finisher' and we're back to square one.Everything else that i wrote was about his finishing ability.

 

[HelterSkelter]

And you leave out the midfield yet again.I said Stats do not tell the entire story,and i know you're going to bring up the stats i mention in my reply to Rab(and perhaps the ones mentioned in my initial reply to you),but i only did that becuase people were talking about his great goal scoring ratio/season,and because you brought up stats first.

For every goal that Eto scores,he squanders multiple opportunities.Eto is an Overated finisher.

If mentioning the midfield that backs him up and the numerous chances he gets is not talking about his finishing,then what is?Its obvious that i was talking about his finishing.

 

[Bjerknes]

Oh yeah, the midfield, I forgot. Well David Trezeguet had potentially the best fucking midfielder since MARADONA on his side, so why don't you please, DEAR GOD, get off this argument. You are losing pathetically.

 

[Maher]

style of play in juve and barca is different , this must be taken into consideration.