itsn ot barca thats famous its m_elayyan who is famous. i can timagine tis thread with out him .
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Of course not for these reasons. But because of his sterile old-fashioned tactics that led to our elimination of Europe in two successive seasons and with the same way. Besides, the players whom he brought to Juve weren't that good or let me say they didn't suit the Juventus style of play; Emerson, Vieira, Zebina, Giannichedda,...(This is a very important point)
The worst thing is that he sold very good players for no reason; Tacchinardi, Maresca, Appiah, Di Vaio and Miccoili.
No one was happier than me when Capello took the charge in Delle Alpi, but I realised that I was overrating the man too much. Anyways, I can speak about that issue for days, but lets not get back to those days. We're in a new era now. :wink:
The worst thing is that he sold very good players for no reason; Tacchinardi, Maresca, Appiah, Di Vaio and Miccoili.
No one was happier than me when Capello took the charge in Delle Alpi, but I realised that I was overrating the man too much. Anyways, I can speak about that issue for days, but lets not get back to those days. We're in a new era now. :wink:
this is not good enough to hate him, you guys don't say these things to Ancelotti for example, he didn't add anything to juve eh? but no one is bashing him.
Back to topic, wasn't the transfer "Guru" Moggi responsible of the transfers? do you have any proof that Capello did all these "crimes" all alone by himself? or he is the target, let's blame everything to him? Emerson and Viera are/were world class midfielders, everyone was dreaming to have players like them before we bought them.. Are they now bad players because they are professionals, they didn't want to play in serie B? weren't we Interested to buy these two, ages before Capello came? sorry, but your argument doesn't make any sense here at all..
Giannichedda proved that he was a decent transfer for us, he is doing more than ok with us these days, he came for free anyway
Zebina is a good player, he has problems with controlling his temper, other than that, he is a very good add to this squad..
Di vaio and Miccoli's sales are justified, where are they these days?
Maresca and Appiah was wrong move, but shouldn't the board have responsibility to keep these players?
Yeah Capello has old fashioned tactics, but it is still winning, still bringing titles, that what counts. Last year's performance in Europe was a disaster, also the last matches in Serie A.. I was glad he is gone. It was two good years, not the greatest ofcourse, I have seen worse seasons than that too, we only have two CL titles, don't forget that, it's not like we were winning CL titles every two years before he came you know? yeah, these hate against Capello is a non-sense, the man won you two titles (on the pitch), and moved on, get over it, he isn't dissing our club.. But I know very well it's all about Del Piero, his fans' nightmare :eyebrows:
Back to topic, wasn't the transfer "Guru" Moggi responsible of the transfers? do you have any proof that Capello did all these "crimes" all alone by himself? or he is the target, let's blame everything to him? Emerson and Viera are/were world class midfielders, everyone was dreaming to have players like them before we bought them.. Are they now bad players because they are professionals, they didn't want to play in serie B? weren't we Interested to buy these two, ages before Capello came? sorry, but your argument doesn't make any sense here at all..
Giannichedda proved that he was a decent transfer for us, he is doing more than ok with us these days, he came for free anyway
Zebina is a good player, he has problems with controlling his temper, other than that, he is a very good add to this squad..
Di vaio and Miccoli's sales are justified, where are they these days?
Maresca and Appiah was wrong move, but shouldn't the board have responsibility to keep these players?
Yeah Capello has old fashioned tactics, but it is still winning, still bringing titles, that what counts. Last year's performance in Europe was a disaster, also the last matches in Serie A.. I was glad he is gone. It was two good years, not the greatest ofcourse, I have seen worse seasons than that too, we only have two CL titles, don't forget that, it's not like we were winning CL titles every two years before he came you know? yeah, these hate against Capello is a non-sense, the man won you two titles (on the pitch), and moved on, get over it, he isn't dissing our club.. But I know very well it's all about Del Piero, his fans' nightmare :eyebrows:
ok. I put it in short, he was our manager, he won us 2 scudetti, he Failed to win in Europe, we are not affected by his arrival or departure in any way after his time, he did good job or bad, doesn't matter (both happens with every coach), he is not here anymore, he didn't disrespect the club at his time with Juve or after that.. If I am telling anything wrong, correct me then. Isn't it Del piero thing?I think it is, Del Piero should have be benched sometimes, some Managers didn't have the balls to do that, because they would face the fans. that's what happened with him, what happened to Del piero? did his career end? No the opposite, he is having two wonderful seasons, and serving the club better than the recent years..
so what is the big deal??
so what is the big deal??
Why I don't like Capello
Here we go Snoop. Yes, he coached Juventus during two successful seasons (As some people think), I still don't like him, nevertheless.
First of all, comparing Capello to Ancelotti. Who was Ancelotti when he joined us and who was Capello when he joined us? I think this question answers itself. Capello was rated as one of Europe's most winning coaches, while Anelotti was an ex-Parma coach. Thus, we should have expected much of the former. By the way, I didn't like to compare them to each other. As, I wasn't expecting much of Ancelotti anyway..
Back to Capello's era, yes, Luciano Moggi was our "Transfer Guru", but this doesn't mean that he could negotiate a single player without an approval of the coach in charge. And don't try to convince me that Moggi was the one who chose, negotiated and finalised the transfers. Yes, he negotiated and finalised them but Capello had to choose first, that's why he is a coach. Moggi could propose a specific player when he saw some qualities in that player Capello didn't see or didn't know about, i.e. a free player, a young talent by the scouts, etc...Hence, I have to say that Capello before Moggi was responsible for the players joined Juventus in the past couple of seasons.
As for the players whom Capello bought, not all Juventini dreamt of these players. To me, all the players joined us were either below par players or players who didn't fit in Juventus playing style, bar Cannavaro and Ibrahimovic. While Mutu was a Moggi's inspiration. However, the previous two players failed in Juventus. Ibrahimovic for being showy, inconsistent and an arrogant prick who played for himself and Mutu for playing out of position most of the time, he was a Nedved's substitute.
Regarding the other players, I'm not going to talk much about Vieira, just read this post. It was posted by an Arsenal fan, but I agree to it 100% Emerson, what I have to say about the most overrated player ever! And I have to add that he shined only because the only coach who thinks that Emerson can be a good football player is Capello. That's why, he took him to every team he coached. And if it happened and he was good at Roma, so this was attributed to the decent squad Roma had when he was a Roma player. But in Juve he sucked. There is another thing, generally when a team defends well, people think that all team players are good defenders, but this is certainly untrue. By the way, this has been my opinion about Vieira and Emerson even before joining us.
Zebina, he nearly lived the same conditions as Emerson's at Roma, that's why he joined us. To me, he is a below average player whose only gift is being a solid defender and nothing more. By the way, I think he struggles in Serie B.
Kovac and Giannichedda, the former can warm the bench while the latter is just a running machine with no brain.
As for the players Capello approved of their sale, why Tacchinardi? And he's been a well experienced player and I rate him five times better than the likes of Emerson and Giannichedda. Maresca, just I advise you to watch Sevilla's matches. Miccoli and Di Vaio were good with lippi, especially the latter who was a perfect substitute to any of our forwards and versatile as well, Lippi used to place him as a left midfielder and he was good. Why did he get rid of him?!
Appiah, do you remember the season he played just before his departure? Do you remember Milan's match at San Siro? The guy was a beast. Not like Emerson who can't run for 10 minutes or Vieira whose only talent nowadays has to be making silly fouls and living on his past reputation.
Now to Capello's tactics. I reckon that Capello is one of a very few coaches, I've seen, who have no plan B. Capello can read the opponent very well and can field his players defensively well too. But, the man's tactics lack three essential points; Pace, creativity and plan B. He is responsible for the pace and creativity because he is responsible of the players whom he gets and the instructions he gives. I don't know whether you noticed it or not, but when we're losing, the man usually failed to switch to a proper attacking way to compensate. I'm not against defending, on the contrary, I believe that defending should have the priority. Nonetheless, a top side can't just live on it, a balanced mentality is the only solution for big sides and was urgently required in our case.
Definitely, when it comes to what he achieved in the domestic league, I can't say that he did a miracle, he was managing Juventus. Any good manager can lead Juventus successfully in the Serie A. Hence, I see that we can judge Capello by what he did in Europe. On this scale, when you compare him to Lippi, you'll perceive that Lippi built an amazing team of the highest caliber in 2001/02 and 2002/03, he decreased the average age of the entire squad, what is more. Whereas, Capello was a geriatric lovers. By the way, Capello didn't fail only with Juve in Europe, but also Real Madrid were a disgrace in this term's Champions League. I know that any big side could be easily eliminated out of Europe without reaching the final, that's normal. But to be knocked out of Europe by two English teams having the same playing mentality, besides Capello using the same old fashioned sterile tactics with no any sort of improvement, that was a howler.
One last thing Snoop. Del Piero has nothing to do with this issue. Whether Capello fielded him or not, this isn't by any mean an assertion to all Capello haters to hate him. There were reasons behind our heavy criticism.
Here we go Snoop. Yes, he coached Juventus during two successful seasons (As some people think), I still don't like him, nevertheless.
First of all, comparing Capello to Ancelotti. Who was Ancelotti when he joined us and who was Capello when he joined us? I think this question answers itself. Capello was rated as one of Europe's most winning coaches, while Anelotti was an ex-Parma coach. Thus, we should have expected much of the former. By the way, I didn't like to compare them to each other. As, I wasn't expecting much of Ancelotti anyway..
Back to Capello's era, yes, Luciano Moggi was our "Transfer Guru", but this doesn't mean that he could negotiate a single player without an approval of the coach in charge. And don't try to convince me that Moggi was the one who chose, negotiated and finalised the transfers. Yes, he negotiated and finalised them but Capello had to choose first, that's why he is a coach. Moggi could propose a specific player when he saw some qualities in that player Capello didn't see or didn't know about, i.e. a free player, a young talent by the scouts, etc...Hence, I have to say that Capello before Moggi was responsible for the players joined Juventus in the past couple of seasons.
As for the players whom Capello bought, not all Juventini dreamt of these players. To me, all the players joined us were either below par players or players who didn't fit in Juventus playing style, bar Cannavaro and Ibrahimovic. While Mutu was a Moggi's inspiration. However, the previous two players failed in Juventus. Ibrahimovic for being showy, inconsistent and an arrogant prick who played for himself and Mutu for playing out of position most of the time, he was a Nedved's substitute.
Regarding the other players, I'm not going to talk much about Vieira, just read this post. It was posted by an Arsenal fan, but I agree to it 100% Emerson, what I have to say about the most overrated player ever! And I have to add that he shined only because the only coach who thinks that Emerson can be a good football player is Capello. That's why, he took him to every team he coached. And if it happened and he was good at Roma, so this was attributed to the decent squad Roma had when he was a Roma player. But in Juve he sucked. There is another thing, generally when a team defends well, people think that all team players are good defenders, but this is certainly untrue. By the way, this has been my opinion about Vieira and Emerson even before joining us.
Zebina, he nearly lived the same conditions as Emerson's at Roma, that's why he joined us. To me, he is a below average player whose only gift is being a solid defender and nothing more. By the way, I think he struggles in Serie B.
Kovac and Giannichedda, the former can warm the bench while the latter is just a running machine with no brain.
As for the players Capello approved of their sale, why Tacchinardi? And he's been a well experienced player and I rate him five times better than the likes of Emerson and Giannichedda. Maresca, just I advise you to watch Sevilla's matches. Miccoli and Di Vaio were good with lippi, especially the latter who was a perfect substitute to any of our forwards and versatile as well, Lippi used to place him as a left midfielder and he was good. Why did he get rid of him?!
Appiah, do you remember the season he played just before his departure? Do you remember Milan's match at San Siro? The guy was a beast. Not like Emerson who can't run for 10 minutes or Vieira whose only talent nowadays has to be making silly fouls and living on his past reputation.
Now to Capello's tactics. I reckon that Capello is one of a very few coaches, I've seen, who have no plan B. Capello can read the opponent very well and can field his players defensively well too. But, the man's tactics lack three essential points; Pace, creativity and plan B. He is responsible for the pace and creativity because he is responsible of the players whom he gets and the instructions he gives. I don't know whether you noticed it or not, but when we're losing, the man usually failed to switch to a proper attacking way to compensate. I'm not against defending, on the contrary, I believe that defending should have the priority. Nonetheless, a top side can't just live on it, a balanced mentality is the only solution for big sides and was urgently required in our case.
Definitely, when it comes to what he achieved in the domestic league, I can't say that he did a miracle, he was managing Juventus. Any good manager can lead Juventus successfully in the Serie A. Hence, I see that we can judge Capello by what he did in Europe. On this scale, when you compare him to Lippi, you'll perceive that Lippi built an amazing team of the highest caliber in 2001/02 and 2002/03, he decreased the average age of the entire squad, what is more. Whereas, Capello was a geriatric lovers. By the way, Capello didn't fail only with Juve in Europe, but also Real Madrid were a disgrace in this term's Champions League. I know that any big side could be easily eliminated out of Europe without reaching the final, that's normal. But to be knocked out of Europe by two English teams having the same playing mentality, besides Capello using the same old fashioned sterile tactics with no any sort of improvement, that was a howler.
One last thing Snoop. Del Piero has nothing to do with this issue. Whether Capello fielded him or not, this isn't by any mean an assertion to all Capello haters to hate him. There were reasons behind our heavy criticism.
We all hate capello but lets face it he managed to get real to good form in the important part of the season . congratulations for Real for winning the liga this year , i must admit that they deserve it more than barca who were pathatic this year with their stupid coach FR. i will not lie to my self and say that still we have 4 matches since with this form barca will loose more points and since real are not loosing any point it is clear that they will win at the end. it is clear that barca needs new players next season.
