[ENG] Premiership 2010/2011 (14 Viewers)

Byrone

Peen Meister
Dec 19, 2005
30,778
I've always blamed Chelsea's successes on the United's failure to live up to their standard of football.

Losing Nistelrooy and Beckham handed Mourinho a couple of titles, and the same happened with Ancellotti last season and will happen this one.

Arsenal do not have a chance. Wenger cannot pull it off even with a better squad.

Liverpool is in deep shit.
:lol:

Really? Really?

Chelsea were a fine team way before Abramovic or Jose arrived. They had excellent players & played some of the most exciting footie in the epl. They just lacked that edge during Vialli & Ranieri's reigns.

Chelsea have always managed to place themselves in the top four but always lost pace due to a lack of depth in their previous squads.

Mourinho made them believe & he didn't give any of the players room for error. Some thing Vialli & Ranieri couldn't provide.

Chelsea beat manure during those stages because they deserved it & they brought in the coach & players to rival manure.
 

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Chelsea actually helped Man Utd increased their level, to reach two CL finals when previously their record in the competition had been pish under Ferguson. Just because Chelsea are so good now it doesn't mean it is down to the failings of Utd, they have financial problems but it is up to them to improve and credit goes to Chelsea, they have raised the level. In PL's gone by this Man Utd would be champions and no one would question it.
 

Gabriel

Killed By Death
May 23, 2010
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Ya exactly. WTF did they do with all the dough they got out of CR7?
They're in huge debt.

I've always blamed Chelsea's successes on the United's failure to live up to their standard of football.

Losing Nistelrooy and Beckham handed Mourinho a couple of titles, and the same happened with Ancellotti last season and will happen this one.

Arsenal do not have a chance. Wenger cannot pull it off even with a better squad.

Liverpool is in deep shit.
:crazy:

That's why we even got to a CL final, and barring last season have always been up there in the last stages of the competition too? It's because Utd didn't live to their standars in Europe too?

It's not like we were relegations battlers before, but Byrone already said what i intended to say.


Oh and, get your head out of your ass. Wenger incapable? Even with a better team? I remind you, he has done it already.

:lol:

Really? Really?

Chelsea were a fine team way before Abramovic or Jose arrived. They had excellent players & played some of the most exciting footie in the epl. They just lacked that edge during Vialli & Ranieri's reigns.

Chelsea have always managed to place themselves in the top four but always lost pace due to a lack of depth in their previous squads.

Mourinho made them believe & he didn't give any of the players room for error. Some thing Vialli & Ranieri couldn't provide.

Chelsea beat manure during those stages because they deserved it & they brought in the coach & players to rival manure.
I love you.

Chelsea actually helped Man Utd increased their level, to reach two CL finals when previously their record in the competition had been pish under Ferguson. Just because Chelsea are so good now it doesn't mean it is down to the failings of Utd, they have financial problems but it is up to them to improve and credit goes to Chelsea, they have raised the level. In PL's gone by this Man Utd would be champions and no one would question it.
True.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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I never said Chelsea are or were weak under Mourinho or Ancelloti. I am merely pointing out the fact that United usually come out on top when they have a squad comparable to Chelsea's.

The 3 titles won by Chelsea came when United were passing through a phase of losing key world class players leaving them with a team lacking First Team Quality and Depth which definitely causes a significant decrease in overall performance.

Before Chelsea became a title challenging world-class team, UTD used to get away with having a squad like the one they have now in the league but rarely kicked ass in Europe. Chelsea did force them to be a better team and I completely agree with that.

By the end of Ranieri's term, Chelsea had created and gelled a world class team finishing second in the premier league. Mourinho added character to an already dream squad that Chelsea continue to reap the benefits of to this day. This was around the same time UTD lost two Legendary players which aided Mourinho's job no doubt about it.

Last year's UTD was mostly a one man team led by Rooney... their current squad is full of holes and the weaknesses will be more apparent this season as I doubt that Rooney will replicate last year's form. I wont be surprised if Arsenal gets the second spot or if Chelsea wins the league by a huge margin. Chelsea continues to have a complete world class first team with very good depth.

In short, Chelsea are very good now no doubt about that but the UTD team that had Ronaldo and Tevez or the team that had Nistelrooy and Beckham are superior to the winning Chelsea teams.
The fact that Chelsea continues to have almost the same squad (With no major losses or additions) since Mourinho's days show this.
Grant's Chelsea is not very different from Hiddink's, Mou's or Ancelloti's.

I respect Chelsea for maintaining their level throughout the years... even if United's peak level is higher than theirs.
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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Apparently Modric's injury turned out to be minor, he will travel with Tottenham for the Werder game.
:agree:

I don't know what's up with him though. Ever since that thug Bowyer knocked him up, he's constantly picking up some minor injuries. He was never the toughest of players, but he's certainly going downwards with his physique. EPL ruffians. :disagree:


Good thing he's fit for Werder. Will be an interesting game.
 

Byrone

Peen Meister
Dec 19, 2005
30,778
I never said Chelsea are or were weak under Mourinho or Ancelloti. I am merely pointing out the fact that United usually come out on top when they have a squad comparable to Chelsea's.

The 3 titles won by Chelsea came when United were passing through a phase of losing key world class players leaving them with a team lacking First Team Quality and Depth which definitely causes a significant decrease in overall performance.

Before Chelsea became a title challenging world-class team, UTD used to get away with having a squad like the one they have now in the league but rarely kicked ass in Europe. Chelsea did force them to be a better team and I completely agree with that.

By the end of Ranieri's term, Chelsea had created and gelled a world class team finishing second in the premier league. Mourinho added character to an already dream squad that Chelsea continue to reap the benefits of to this day. This was around the same time UTD lost two Legendary players which aided Mourinho's job no doubt about it.

Last year's UTD was mostly a one man team led by Rooney... their current squad is full of holes and the weaknesses will be more apparent this season as I doubt that Rooney will replicate last year's form. I wont be surprised if Arsenal gets the second spot or if Chelsea wins the league by a huge margin. Chelsea continues to have a complete world class first team with very good depth.

In short, Chelsea are very good now no doubt about that but the UTD team that had Ronaldo and Tevez or the team that had Nistelrooy and Beckham are superior to the winning Chelsea teams.
The fact that Chelsea continues to have almost the same squad (With no major losses or additions) since Mourinho's days show this.
Grant's Chelsea is not very different from Hiddink's, Mou's or Ancelloti's.

I respect Chelsea for maintaining their level throughout the years... even if United's peak level is higher than theirs.
So Chelsea were weak before Mourinho & Ancelloti?

Once again you're spewing rubbish. I openly hate manure but one thing i really like about sir alex is that he has no fear for any player, no matter how big they are. He's disposed of many big names during his tenure & he's even won the league with inferior players(in terms of individual skill) but he's had a good mixture of youth/experience coupled with excellent squad depth.

Chelsea had won honors before Abramovic was around.If im not mistaken, the won the fa cup during gullits tenure.Under Vialli they won the european super cup & then won the fa cup in 2000.So don't make it seem like Chelsea hadn't won a damn thing before.

Chelsea had super talented players like Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, Ed De Goey, Graeme Le Saux & Dennis Wise. In fact Chelsea had a better team than manure player for player, skill wise but they lacked team ethic & unity.Whereas manure's players were a mixture of youth talents that grew up player together bonding, with star names like Eric Cantona, Mark Huges, Paul Ince & Andre Kanchelskis.So how exactly did they manage to dominate the epl & become a force in the CL when they sold all of those players?

Abramovic the cheque.
Chelsea have already proven they're more than just a team bank rolled by a billionaire.How many millions did morratti pump into inter before they were handed the scudetto? How many times have real spent huge only to gain zero in the end & its been two seasons that man city & spent like absolute morons with no trophies to back it all up.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,112
Byrone does have a point though. They weren't world beaters by any means, but they were a quite decent team before Abramovic, Abramovic's money gave them the extra push that made them a world class team, but they were no Man city before the millions.
 

Byrone

Peen Meister
Dec 19, 2005
30,778
Seriously Chelsea under Gullit & Vialli were unpredictable & inconsistent but they were damn entertaining. Especially when Vialli would get pissed off with his players & put himself in the match.

Vialli was the man back then.:lol:

Casiraghi was supposed to light up the epl but he probably had the worst debut season in the epl.:D
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,659
So Chelsea were weak before Mourinho & Ancelloti?

Once again you're spewing rubbish. I openly hate manure but one thing i really like about sir alex is that he has no fear for any player, no matter how big they are. He's disposed of many big names during his tenure & he's even won the league with inferior players(in terms of individual skill) but he's had a good mixture of youth/experience coupled with excellent squad depth.

Chelsea had won honors before Abramovic was around.If im not mistaken, the won the fa cup during gullits tenure.Under Vialli they won the european super cup & then won the fa cup in 2000.So don't make it seem like Chelsea hadn't won a damn thing before.

Chelsea had super talented players like Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, Ed De Goey, Graeme Le Saux & Dennis Wise. In fact Chelsea had a better team than manure player for player, skill wise but they lacked team ethic & unity.Whereas manure's players were a mixture of youth talents that grew up player together bonding, with star names like Eric Cantona, Mark Huges, Paul Ince & Andre Kanchelskis.So how exactly did they manage to dominate the epl & become a force in the CL when they sold all of those players?



Chelsea have already proven they're more than just a team bank rolled by a billionaire.How many millions did morratti pump into inter before they were handed the scudetto? How many times have real spent huge only to gain zero in the end & its been two seasons that man city & spent like absolute morons with no trophies to back it all up.
Yes. FA cup is not a prestigious trophy.
We never considered Portsmouth a Top team when they won it. Often times second division teams end up winning it or reaching the final 4.

I am not saying Chelsea were the equivalent of Wigan and West Brom before the Money came in, I am saying that they were no Arsenal or Man Utd class at all.

Lets not pretend that the Money did not make Chelsea what they are now... they were like the current Tottenham at best before the russian came.
 

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