[ENG] Premiership 2006/2007 (18 Viewers)
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well ok you prefer Milan's midfield me too but thats not case, Ancelotti is the one that brought in creative players and Mourinho is the one that preferred the less creative players.He could've brought who ever he wanted but he chose a certain kind of players just like capello did.
And i totally respect that, they have certain ways and methods about managing their teams and they were successful.However it is not the most attractive approach and that goes down to imo their weakened tactical abilities as coaches.
Mourinho won those titles with Porto where there was significantly less pressure than almost any of the teams capello was in.This season there is a bit of pressure on Mourinho both from ManU and Abramovich and imo his team dealt with it well due to him but him personally didn't deal with it well.
I only take a bit away from Mourinho during his Porto days and i respect him for his accomplishments there but not at Chelsea.
I wouldn't want him here at all
And i totally respect that, they have certain ways and methods about managing their teams and they were successful.However it is not the most attractive approach and that goes down to imo their weakened tactical abilities as coaches.
Mourinho won those titles with Porto where there was significantly less pressure than almost any of the teams capello was in.This season there is a bit of pressure on Mourinho both from ManU and Abramovich and imo his team dealt with it well due to him but him personally didn't deal with it well.
I only take a bit away from Mourinho during his Porto days and i respect him for his accomplishments there but not at Chelsea.
I wouldn't want him here at all
Are you trying to say that there was more pressure on Capello to win the league at Juventus when he came into the job with Moggi pulling the strings backstage and Lippi's last season not being great than it was for Mourinho to win the league at Porto where it was a 1 horse race? Who actually expected Capello to win the league at Roma? He wasn't under undue pressure there either. At Real madrid this season, noone actually expected him to do more than stabilise the team and hopefully challenge for trophies but he has managed to antagonise a lot of people there in different ways. The fact that a team does not play exciting football does not mean that they are weak tactically after all Lippi's teams were not always exciting, he is not as defensive as other italian managers but full flowing attacking football, he was not but he is tactically superb. Rikjard is a manager who plays exciting football but he is tactically inept. Capello is a boring manager and tactically he is not up to scratch either
You say Mourinho has the best squad in the world and thats a lie. Chelsea have just 2 strikers as I do not count Kallou as a striker or if you do count him thats 3. They have 3 central defenders and I am including Boularouhz in that category so in effect its just 2 . No decent right back and 2 good left backs . okay they have a plethora of midfielders but almost every team has that. Inter have as central defenders alone, Samuel, Cordoba, Materazzi, and Burdisso, right backs of the calibre of maicon and Zenetti, left backs in Grosso and Maxwell, strikers in cruz, adriano, recoba, zlatan, crespo and also a plethora of midfield. Inter have a superior squad as does barcelona
Man united can compete because they have superior number of defenders and attackers to chelsea and they have that intangible, Cristiano Ronaldo who has just been awesome which you cannot just account for but people just look at the number of midfielders chelsea have there and Abramovic is money and just assume they have the best squad when in fact they do not. You say with the mini crisis that chelsea went thru this season , its the players that handled it well not the manager but the players are doing it for the manager who countless times has protected them by putting himself on the firing line. He does not blame his players like Capello always does when things are not going right for him, he protects them and thats why they go to extreme levels for him
You say Mourinho has the best squad in the world and thats a lie. Chelsea have just 2 strikers as I do not count Kallou as a striker or if you do count him thats 3. They have 3 central defenders and I am including Boularouhz in that category so in effect its just 2 . No decent right back and 2 good left backs . okay they have a plethora of midfielders but almost every team has that. Inter have as central defenders alone, Samuel, Cordoba, Materazzi, and Burdisso, right backs of the calibre of maicon and Zenetti, left backs in Grosso and Maxwell, strikers in cruz, adriano, recoba, zlatan, crespo and also a plethora of midfield. Inter have a superior squad as does barcelona
Man united can compete because they have superior number of defenders and attackers to chelsea and they have that intangible, Cristiano Ronaldo who has just been awesome which you cannot just account for but people just look at the number of midfielders chelsea have there and Abramovic is money and just assume they have the best squad when in fact they do not. You say with the mini crisis that chelsea went thru this season , its the players that handled it well not the manager but the players are doing it for the manager who countless times has protected them by putting himself on the firing line. He does not blame his players like Capello always does when things are not going right for him, he protects them and thats why they go to extreme levels for him
thats why i said almost in every team when i referred to capello,
and the reference to his time at Roma.At Juve,Milan, and Real hes been expected to deliver and he did.
Porto were/are so much further than the other team in Portugal its not even funny and thats why i don't give him that much credit for the league(and if he didn't win it we wouldn't have this discussion) only for his time at the CL.The Porto management did not put the CL as a target at the beginning of the season, thats why i say he didn't have as much pressure on him same goes to the players but i still give him credit and don't take away nothing from that accomplishment.
Well about the squads, although it will always be subjective but i will give you my opinion about their squad.
Some players will be playing well in ur opinion or good players overall, i won't in all teams.
Goalkeeping, i admit they don't have the best cover for Cech but with him in goal they are very very very tough to score against. He gives them so a huge advantage.And having Cudicini as cover is very good, as hes a very good keeper.But most teams have that(a decent cover that is)
Defense, terry and carvalho are arguably the best defensive duo in the world.Cole on the left and lets say Geremi on the right. A star defense imo, you say Geremi is crap but imo he is better than Gary neville.Hes tough,fast and has a good cross what more is needed ?
Ferreira is not as good but a very decent replacement,hes either very good or very bad.Many times i've seen him completely keep good wingers quiet for 90mins.
Bridge is very good and i thought mourinho would give him a chance but he opted for a big name.
Mourinho is the one who shot himself in the foot when he sold both Huth and Gallas and brought Boulharoz, who is an international but an idiot.Although its not like hes fielding titus bramble, he could do the job and he did it earlier this season against an in form ronaldinho.
I won't even talk about the midfield.
The forwards were brought in cuz Mourinho didn't expect that he would be playing both Sheva and Drogba, i guess he thought he would play the 451.That didn't happen and he shot himself in the foot and Abramovich finally put his foot down and refused to buy any players whether its an attacker or defender.
Inter have a fairly similar squad imo but still a new squad so Chelsea will have the advantage.
but i just wanted to add, Recoba,grosso,even samuel almost had nil effect on Inter this season from what i've seen.Adriano had the odd good game here n there
but i compared their squads to their direct competition this season in england and Europe and imo they are miles ahead.
and the reference to his time at Roma.At Juve,Milan, and Real hes been expected to deliver and he did.
Porto were/are so much further than the other team in Portugal its not even funny and thats why i don't give him that much credit for the league(and if he didn't win it we wouldn't have this discussion) only for his time at the CL.The Porto management did not put the CL as a target at the beginning of the season, thats why i say he didn't have as much pressure on him same goes to the players but i still give him credit and don't take away nothing from that accomplishment.
Well about the squads, although it will always be subjective but i will give you my opinion about their squad.
Some players will be playing well in ur opinion or good players overall, i won't in all teams.
Goalkeeping, i admit they don't have the best cover for Cech but with him in goal they are very very very tough to score against. He gives them so a huge advantage.And having Cudicini as cover is very good, as hes a very good keeper.But most teams have that(a decent cover that is)
Defense, terry and carvalho are arguably the best defensive duo in the world.Cole on the left and lets say Geremi on the right. A star defense imo, you say Geremi is crap but imo he is better than Gary neville.Hes tough,fast and has a good cross what more is needed ?
Ferreira is not as good but a very decent replacement,hes either very good or very bad.Many times i've seen him completely keep good wingers quiet for 90mins.
Bridge is very good and i thought mourinho would give him a chance but he opted for a big name.
Mourinho is the one who shot himself in the foot when he sold both Huth and Gallas and brought Boulharoz, who is an international but an idiot.Although its not like hes fielding titus bramble, he could do the job and he did it earlier this season against an in form ronaldinho.
I won't even talk about the midfield.
The forwards were brought in cuz Mourinho didn't expect that he would be playing both Sheva and Drogba, i guess he thought he would play the 451.That didn't happen and he shot himself in the foot and Abramovich finally put his foot down and refused to buy any players whether its an attacker or defender.
Inter have a fairly similar squad imo but still a new squad so Chelsea will have the advantage.
but i just wanted to add, Recoba,grosso,even samuel almost had nil effect on Inter this season from what i've seen.Adriano had the odd good game here n there
but i compared their squads to their direct competition this season in england and Europe and imo they are miles ahead.
Geremi is not better than Gary Neville, I know its all about opinions but thats an insult to Neville
Secondly, Gallas was allowed to leave cos of problems with Chelsea board regards increase in wages and not Mourinho. Besides we are talking about the squad and not if Mourinho shot himself in the foot. You said he has the best squad in the world, but like i pointed out , he does not. It does not matter what effect Samuel had on Inter, the fact is if they needed him he was available. Chelsea do not have that option as they would have to play a midfielder in defence if 1 of them is missing. Against Liverpool in the league at Anfield they had to play Essien and Ferreria in central defence. Would a team with the best squad in the world have to resort to that? Your whole argument seems to hinge on Mourinho not being so good because he has the best squad in the world. My point is that guy will do well in any team because i think as a manager, he is too good. Like I said I am not enamoured by his football teams but i love the way he can make a substitution to win a game. I will give you an example, against Everton at Goodison park, everton were leading 2-1, he made a couple of subs and Chelsea won 3-2. They ended the game with only Carvalho as a recognised defender as tTerry was injured and he took out Boularouz and Ashley Cole. Too many times he has made subs that have won games and thats what sets him apart
Secondly, Gallas was allowed to leave cos of problems with Chelsea board regards increase in wages and not Mourinho. Besides we are talking about the squad and not if Mourinho shot himself in the foot. You said he has the best squad in the world, but like i pointed out , he does not. It does not matter what effect Samuel had on Inter, the fact is if they needed him he was available. Chelsea do not have that option as they would have to play a midfielder in defence if 1 of them is missing. Against Liverpool in the league at Anfield they had to play Essien and Ferreria in central defence. Would a team with the best squad in the world have to resort to that? Your whole argument seems to hinge on Mourinho not being so good because he has the best squad in the world. My point is that guy will do well in any team because i think as a manager, he is too good. Like I said I am not enamoured by his football teams but i love the way he can make a substitution to win a game. I will give you an example, against Everton at Goodison park, everton were leading 2-1, he made a couple of subs and Chelsea won 3-2. They ended the game with only Carvalho as a recognised defender as tTerry was injured and he took out Boularouz and Ashley Cole. Too many times he has made subs that have won games and thats what sets him apart
i told you my perception about the squad and we won't reach a conclusion since we see the players differently.
I never said he wasn't good, i just said he wasn't THAT good.
Another point i wanted to bring up is that you said capello had squads already ready for him and he made only minor adjustments, but the same could be said about Mourinho.
Cech,terry,lampard,joe cole and makelele who imo formed the backbone of his team were already there and readied by Ranieri for him and he just had to add the final touches.
so i guess thats another similarity.
I never said he wasn't good, i just said he wasn't THAT good.
Another point i wanted to bring up is that you said capello had squads already ready for him and he made only minor adjustments, but the same could be said about Mourinho.
Cech,terry,lampard,joe cole and makelele who imo formed the backbone of his team were already there and readied by Ranieri for him and he just had to add the final touches.
so i guess thats another similarity.
A great squad has to have cover in if not all then in most positions but Chelsea do not have that ,they have are still searching for a decent right back , if Terry or Carvalho is unavailable they play a midfielder there. If something happens to Drogba, they are screwed so how can you still be arguing about great squad. Ranieri did not bring in Lampard and Terry, Vialli did , in lampard's case while Terry came thru the ranks. When Mourinho came in he did not play the same way as Ranieri but the way his teams at Porto always set out. Capello on the other hand too Sacchi's Milan, made them play the same way for 2 years until the dutchmen left and then made them slightly defensive, went to Real, played exactly the same way as his predecessor at Real , went to Roma , took Zemans 4-3-3 and made it slighly defensive but basically playing the same way but with better defending, came to Juventus and we still played the same kind of football like we did in Lippi's last season , the difference being he added 2 defensive midfielders and he is back at real madrid and they are still playing the same no cohesion football with the difference being their more of a defensive side. I guess the only thing you can say Capello brings to the dance is playing with 2 defensive midfielders as he never seems to me to dramatically changing any side he goes to , compared with what they were before he joined them
imo coaches bring in certain mentalities to the teams as well their tactics.
its the mentalities that are the harder to instill in a team.Thats why he had success with a club like Roma. I give credit to Mourinho in that department as well, as Chelsea were just an image of Inter before he came in.
But as i consider Capello lucky for getting players he got, i consider Mourinho the same.
its the mentalities that are the harder to instill in a team.Thats why he had success with a club like Roma. I give credit to Mourinho in that department as well, as Chelsea were just an image of Inter before he came in.
But as i consider Capello lucky for getting players he got, i consider Mourinho the same.
Do you see Capello staying at 1 club for 10 years, helping that club to build different teams during this period? Say like Lippi did at Juventus building diff teams , fergie at man united and arsene at arsenal? I cannot, as he does not know how to do that from scratch, he can only add to other people's ideas, not formulate his from scratch. Thats why more often than not when the going gets tough for capello, he does not know what to do in matches
am sure if you ask him that he would say the samething.He is not that type of coach, although i give him credit for his time at Roma, not the scudetto year.Many of the players that are playing now got their start under him or were brought in by him.
Anyway its just the way he works, and am sure everyone knows that but still bring him in cause you certainly need that short term success.
Enjoyed the discussion mate, don't be a stranger and your post certainly will add more quality here.
Anyway its just the way he works, and am sure everyone knows that but still bring him in cause you certainly need that short term success.
Enjoyed the discussion mate, don't be a stranger and your post certainly will add more quality here.
poor Chelsea 