[ENG] Premiership 2006/2007 (17 Viewers)

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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Man united who have played very well this season have had an almost injury free campaign until just recently whislt chelsea have had to cope with not just injuries but politics with abramovic being unhappy with mourinho and he is still capable of leading a team to go to Valencia and win
While I mostly agree with you, Man United have had plenty of injuries up front, though nothing like Chelsea have had at the back.
 

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Cuti

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Jul 30, 2006
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i was speaking to a friend of mine and he thinks against Milan, utd will have to play with a defence like this:
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O'shea------Heinze-------Brown------Evra


Milan should take advantage of this as o'shea is their weakest player and is easily dribbled, thus Kaka should play more towards the left of the Milan attack/midfield
 

Azzurri7

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Sheva and Ballack have been hugely disappointing. But somehow they find a way to win. Man united who have played very well this season have had an almost injury free campaign until just recently whislt chelsea have had to cope with not just injuries but politics with abramovic being unhappy with mourinho and he is still capable of leading a team to go to Valencia and win
Actually I thought ballack has been outstanding this season. Playing diff from what he was playing in Bundesliga with Bayern, he's doing his job more than good. In Germany he was more like an attacking player, trying to open space for the attackers...with Mourinho I see him defending more and attacking very little, but somehow he's managing to do his job very well.
 

Marc

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Jul 14, 2006
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i was speaking to a friend of mine and he thinks against Milan, utd will have to play with a defence like this:
----------------VDS---------------------
O'shea------Heinze-------Brown------Evra


Milan should take advantage of this as o'shea is their weakest player and is easily dribbled, thus Kaka should play more towards the left of the Milan attack/midfield
Wes Brown is the weakest player in ManUre´s defense. Silvestre also. Will Silvestre be available?

What about Neville? Is he injured?
 

Cuti

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Jul 30, 2006
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Wes Brown is the weakest player in ManUre´s defense. Silvestre also. Will Silvestre be available?

What about Neville? Is he injured?
o'shea is playing out of position and Mancini gave him hell the 3 times he took him on in the first leg. Silvestre is injured as is Neville.
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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I am sincerley hoping that that statement is not directed at Mourinho as he is head and shoulders above any manager out there. Why should he play Bouhlarouz who has been absolutely hopeless this season. If he is not on his backside , he is busy holding to shirts of defenders. Chelsea have had rotten luck with injuries and naff purchases this season and they are still in cl, in fa cup final, and 3 points from top of league they have no right to be challenging. Compare him to that clown at Barcelona who has some of the finest players on the planet but is still making a pig's ear of things in la liga. How do you explain making Iniesta play left back and leaving Xavi and Deco on the pitch when they have been below par for much of the season? Or is it Capello who is so lucky that Sevilla have not won the league in 60 years and dont know how to and having Barcelona drop point they should never drop whilst he bores his way to third in the league with Van Nistlerooy saving his pathetic tactical decisions? Mourinho is as near to being a genuis as a manager as they come. To instal the belief to win match after match in a squad who lets be honest are not blessed with creative players, the only creative players are Robben who is so inconsistent and always injured and Joe Cole who has been out injured most of the time. They have been carrying 2 superstars for the whole season cos Sheva and Ballack have been hugely disappointing. But somehow they find a way to win. Man united who have played very well this season have had an almost injury free campaign until just recently whislt chelsea have had to cope with not just injuries but politics with abramovic being unhappy with mourinho and he is still capable of leading a team to go to Valencia and win
it is directed at Mourinho and he no where near the best in the world. To me he is on par with Capello nothing more.At least Capello had a team where they played good football in Roma at a point in time and i comment at Milan as i didnt see them play.

Back to Mourinho in the Newcastle game.His team had no run in the midfield and it was very evident.Stop n start football with his usual long balls to Drogba who was well contained by Taylor and Bramble.Just a hopeless tactic by the coach and he couldn't rectify that in the game against a much much weaker side that could've got something more.

Now to mourinho overall, he has the best squad in the world but still plays one of the most boring brands of football i've ever seen.Everyone(including me) bashed Capello day by day for that brand but praise Mourinho when hes doing the same exact thing. Even Juve's squad over the past two seasons wasn't even close to mourinho's but its still played the same brand of football.


Hes a great manager of his team and he knows how to motivate his players and get something out of them.But tactically hes as far as a manager would get from the best.Lippi,Ferguson,Benetiz,Hitzfield even Scolari ,Capello and Wenger are miles ahead of him imo.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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it is directed at Mourinho and he no where near the best in the world. To me he is on par with Capello nothing more.At least Capello had a team where they played good football in Roma at a point in time and i comment at Milan as i didnt see them play.

Back to Mourinho in the Newcastle game.His team had no run in the midfield and it was very evident.Stop n start football with his usual long balls to Drogba who was well contained by Taylor and Bramble.Just a hopeless tactic by the coach and he couldn't rectify that in the game against a much much weaker side that could've got something more.

Now to mourinho overall, he has the best squad in the world but still plays one of the most boring brands of football i've ever seen.Everyone(including me) bashed Capello day by day for that brand but praise Mourinho when hes doing the same exact thing. Even Juve's squad over the past two seasons wasn't even close to mourinho's but its still played the same brand of football.


Hes a great manager of his team and he knows how to motivate his players and get something out of them.But tactically hes as far as a manager would get from the best.Lippi,Ferguson,Benetiz,Hitzfield even Scolari ,Capello and Wenger are miles ahead of him imo.
:lol: Ferguson? Fergie will not know tactics if it bites him in the ass. All his managing career he has relied on coaches to deal with tactics whilst he does his brand of mr motivation. I would not even comment on big Phil one of the more overrated managers out there and Hitzfeld is not in Mourinho's class. Wenger is yet to get the better of Mourinho in 7 or so meetings so I do n't know where you get he is a better tactician from. Benitez and Lippi can be compared to Mourinho but I would give the special one the edge. Where do you get Cheslea having the best squad from? Most of their midfield is power based with little or no creativity. For the first time Wenger has had to deal with injury problems especially with Henry and they are struggling. There is not a plan B in his repertoire. Big Phil took Brazil to win the world cup , in the process not facing 1 world class outfit through out, then losing to Greece in the final of Euro2004 at home as he was totally outfoxed by Renhagel. In last wc, what exactly did he do tactically against England and France? Capello , well, he took Zeman and Sacchi's teams in Roma and Milan and just made them more defensive for his success. He is despised at Real madrid by almost everyone, how can you say this guy knows what he is doing tactically? Noone is fooled, they all know that Sevilla and barcelona are miles ahead of Real Madrid. Most Juve fans disliked him as well.
I am no fan of the way Chelsea play at all, but you have to admire a manager who can almost always make a tactical change which converts a draw to win and a loss into draw or win. You speak to most people and they will tell you he is a great credit to the premiership, you ask the guys in Spain if Capello has brought anything but terrible football with no tactical nous to Real madrid
@Azzuri, how can you say ballack has played well? He is booed by his own fans, Beckenbauer has crticised his play and he said himself he has not done himself justice at Chelsea
 

Azzurri7

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@Azzuri, how can you say ballack has played well? He is booed by his own fans, Beckenbauer has crticised his play and he said himself he has not done himself justice at Chelsea
I suppose he has been booed because he's the most earned player in Mourinho's disposal, so they expect always more than maximum from him. He is playing out of position like I said. not to also mention he saved chelsea couple of times in CL.

Above all, from what I saw, he's a hardwork player and runs alot.
 

Cuti

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Jul 30, 2006
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ballack and sheva have started to play well in the last month. Sheva has been scoring quite regularly and setting up goals and chances. Ballack scored the winning goal in the FA cup semi-final in extra time against Blackburn
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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:lol: Ferguson? Fergie will not know tactics if it bites him in the ass. All his managing career he has relied on coaches to deal with tactics whilst he does his brand of mr motivation. I would not even comment on big Phil one of the more overrated managers out there and Hitzfeld is not in Mourinho's class. Wenger is yet to get the better of Mourinho in 7 or so meetings so I do n't know where you get he is a better tactician from. Benitez and Lippi can be compared to Mourinho but I would give the special one the edge. Where do you get Cheslea having the best squad from? Most of their midfield is power based with little or no creativity. For the first time Wenger has had to deal with injury problems especially with Henry and they are struggling. There is not a plan B in his repertoire. Big Phil took Brazil to win the world cup , in the process not facing 1 world class outfit through out, then losing to Greece in the final of Euro2004 at home as he was totally outfoxed by Renhagel. In last wc, what exactly did he do tactically against England and France? Capello , well, he took Zeman and Sacchi's teams in Roma and Milan and just made them more defensive for his success. He is despised at Real madrid by almost everyone, how can you say this guy knows what he is doing tactically? Noone is fooled, they all know that Sevilla and barcelona are miles ahead of Real Madrid. Most Juve fans disliked him as well.
I am no fan of the way Chelsea play at all, but you have to admire a manager who can almost always make a tactical change which converts a draw to win and a loss into draw or win. You speak to most people and they will tell you he is a great credit to the premiership, you ask the guys in Spain if Capello has brought anything but terrible football with no tactical nous to Real madrid
@Azzuri, how can you say ballack has played well? He is booed by his own fans, Beckenbauer has crticised his play and he said himself he has not done himself justice at Chelsea
if it was that simple then how come zeman didn't win the scudetto? like him or not capello is winner.He brings in a certain mentality to a team with his tactical traditional ways and hes been successful.
Madrid fans hate him now, but the moment he wins they will be behind and i can guarantee that.
you talked about turning a draw into a win, well i bet you capello did that many times in his career as well.

About Chelsea's squad, they have almost two world class players in every position.What ever kind of players they are, they are world class or just very good players.
Whether they are not creative that doesn't matter, its Mourinho's preference anyway.Its cause it helps him with that kind of football he likes to play.


Again u talked about all the other managers but didn't explain to me how come ur critisizing capello for his boring football but don't do the same with Mourinho?

And ur really underrating Hitzfield,Lippi and Benetiz.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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if it was that simple then how come zeman didn't win the scudetto? like him or not capello is winner.He brings in a certain mentality to a team with his tactical traditional ways and hes been successful.
Madrid fans hate him now, but the moment he wins they will be behind and i can guarantee that.
you talked about turning a draw into a win, well i bet you capello did that many times in his career as well.

About Chelsea's squad, they have almost two world class players in every position.What ever kind of players they are, they are world class or just very good players.
Whether they are not creative that doesn't matter, its Mourinho's preference anyway.Its cause it helps him with that kind of football he likes to play.


Again u talked about all the other managers but didn't explain to me how come ur critisizing capello for his boring football but don't do the same with Mourinho?And ur really underrating Hitzfield,Lippi and Benetiz.
I thought that was obvious, when things are going wrong for Capello, he just folds his arms and almost waiting for his strikers to bail him out but Mourinho is always pro active, he changes tactics or personnel, Capello hardly every changes tactics. He went to Munich and played Gago, Emerson and Diarra at the same time, is that not madness? Whether he wins league or not, he would never be liked in Madrid, same way Juve fans could not stand him and he is a former Juve player. With the calibre of flair players at his disposal he still makes them suck or play boring football. Chelsea were not boring last season or season before .How did i underrate Lippi Benitez and Hitzfeld? I think they are all great managers and I rate Lippi higher than the other 2 , he might be on a par with Mourinho but he is not better. What world class player sare you referring to? Are they genuinely world class or just good players? Makele, Essien, Lampard, Drogba are wonderful players bordering on world class in some cases and genuine world class in some of them but they would not entertain you, they will give you everything. ballack and Shevchenko are world class talents who have not done well so far imo. Robben is in and out with his performances, Cole has been injured . Mikel Obi is grossly overrated, still not sure why Manu and Cheslea were fighting over him with the amount of money involved. kallou is not better than Zalayeta in scoring. SWp has been disappointing. In defence Terry and Cavalho are world class, Ashley Cole is very good but has not improved from where he was at Euro 2004 , Bridge is decent , Geremi is useless as is Ferreria , like Boulharouz . Diarra is decent but no more than that so where do you get world class in every position?
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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I thought that was obvious, when things are going wrong for Capello, he just folds his arms and almost waiting for his strikers to bail him out but Mourinho is always pro active, he changes tactics or personnel, Capello hardly every changes tactics. He went to Munich and played Gago, Emerson and Diarra at the same time, is that not madness? Whether he wins league or not, he would never be liked in Madrid, same way Juve fans could not stand him and he is a former Juve player. With the calibre of flair players at his disposal he still makes them suck or play boring football. Chelsea were not boring last season or season before .How did i underrate Lippi Benitez and Hitzfeld? I think they are all great managers and I rate Lippi higher than the other 2 , he might be on a par with Mourinho but he is not better. What world class player sare you referring to? Are they genuinely world class or just good players? Makele, Essien, Lampard, Drogba are wonderful players bordering on world class in some cases and genuine world class in some of them but they would not entertain you, they will give you everything. ballack and Shevchenko are world class talents who have not done well so far imo. Robben is in and out with his performances, Cole has been injured . Mikel Obi is grossly overrated, still not sure why Manu and Cheslea were fighting over him with the amount of money involved. kallou is not better than Zalayeta in scoring. SWp has been disappointing. In defence Terry and Cavalho are world class, Ashley Cole is very good but has not improved from where he was at Euro 2004 , Bridge is decent , Geremi is useless as is Ferreria , like Boulharouz . Diarra is decent but no more than that so where do you get world class in every position?
how many times did capello bring in Robinho this season and he actually changed the outcome of the games?i remember at least 3.
Capello never just sat there as you implied, he always acted even though many times his decisions don't bring the desired outcome.

back to Mourinho, i didn't see him doing anything to the midfield in the newcastle game but he opted to swap players in like for like positions instead of seeing the real problem in the midfield which is mobility.Largely due to essien's absence. I didn't see him doing.
And also other games like the Valencia games where he was just lucky to go through, while just focusing on his usual long balls.

And the countless times hes been bailed out by the personal skills or pro activeness of his players not due his tactical decisions.Rarely i've seen that from Mourinho.How many times there was a lampard long shot or a Drogba and recently a carvalho shot.

I don't know how you label Chelsea's play as interesting to watch, as i didn't see that at all.

abt comparing him to Lippi and hitzfield , both took lesser squads with lesser money to far more successes. To me they are great tacticians first and u talked about all the troubles Mourinho got with Abramovich.Compare that to wat Lippi had to deal with during the WC? ofcourse it will hold no comparison.

Abt their squad, take that squad and compare it to ManUs,Liverpool, and Milans squads.There will be absolutely no comparison and those teams don't have that much decent players in all those positions.
They lose Makelele they have Mikel, they lose robben and joe cole they have swp and kalou and the list goes on.
Milan lose oddo on the right they have either an old man in cafu or dumbass in Bonera, just look at the difference.
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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Personally I would have Milan's midfield to Chelsea's as i rather players like kaka and Seedorf to the work man like midfield of Chelsea with little imagination apart from Joe Cole. What you are actually doing is talking about players at their absolute best and what they have done in the past, not what they are doing right now, SWp has not being a sucess at chelc and neither has Kallou. Old man Cafu is far better than Geremi or Ferreira , ok Bonera is a dog. Milan have good alternatives , do not kid yourself, they have Brocchi, Ambrosini, favalli, Serginho, Kaladze, Simic, Oliveira, Gilardino and Inzaghi who do not always start but are decent enuff players
I dont enjoy chelsea at all, in fact , i wont want mourinho to manage my team but he is tactically adept.
Okay you asked the question, so please answer it, how many times has Capello used Robinho to change games this season? Against Barcelona, at the nou camp with Oleguer sent off and Rijhkard again exhibiting his tactical inability, Capello just folded his arms for most of the second half when it was crying out for Robinho on the left, he finally brought him on and typically played him on the right. A manager who players like Van basten, Gullit, Dp, Totti , Ronaldo, Cassano have very little respect for both tactically and the way he treats players.
You seem to be forgetting there that with Porto Mourinho won the uefa and Cl and has gone almost 5 seasons without losing at home . Capello's Real madrid have lost at home to Celta Vigo, a team that will struggle in serieB. recreativo a team just promoted to la liga beat his team at bernabeu at home 3-0. He is a very successful manager and I am pretty sure he is very good at the organisation of a club with discipline but as far as tactics go, Capello is no better than Fergie
 

Mark

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haha, was watching wrestling :oops: and saw Mourinho on WWE Raw...Shane McMahon was looking for somebody to fight in the crowd and Jose said no. lol
 

V

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Jose at WWE??I missed that!!Are you talking about last week's RAW?
Jose Mourinho attends Raw
By Zack Zeigler
Written: April 24, 2007

LONDON – World-renowned football (or, to North Americans, soccer) coach Jose Mourinho was one of the thousands in attendance as Raw invaded Earls Court.

Widely considered the best coach in the game, Mourinho has led the Chelsea Football Club to consecutive Premiere League titles (2005, 2006), and was also named by the International Federation of Football History and Statistics (IFFHS) as the world’s best football coach in both 2004 and 2005.

Prior to his first live WWE event, Mourinho expressed why attending Raw was so special to him.

“WWE came to my house because of them,” he said, pointing to his children, Matilde and Jose. “For me, it’s great to be with my kids, and to be around the people they admire very much; I think that is very cool.”

Longtime Chelsea fan Todd Grisham was thrilled to grab a snapshot with one of his idols.

“I try to go to Chelsea games every time I’m in London,” said Grisham. “It was great to get a photo with Jose Mourinho. He’s basically the Bill Parcells of soccer out here; every team from Spain to Portugal to China wants him to be their coach.”

Much like the National Football League’s Parcells, Mourinho is also known for his confident coaching style and ability to respond to people who question his authority with brash quips. But a few weeks ago while traveling with his team, the Chelsea coach ran into SmackDown’s Chris Benoit. Once he was introduced to how massive the WWE Superstars are in person, that notorious swagger shrunk, and his mouth was zipped.

“I realized that Chris Benoit’s hand is stronger than my leg. So, I don’t want to mess with any of [the Superstars]; I just want to be friends,” he joked.
 

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They should have a Wrestlmania match between him and Kane next year:p
Jose would prevail. :D

I don't watch wrestling anymore, I did years before when WCW/nWo was the most popular, I don't like WWE, better yet haven't watched it once.
 

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