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[Xperd]

I remember when Suarez was being bashed the same way by some people,that he's a scrub killer and doesnt do much in big games and those people are obviously eating crow now.

Expect the same to happen with Hazard soon and not to mention he's only 23 and is far from his prime.I do find him a bit overhyped but tbh this is a rather lazy analysis.You dont have to always score or assist to make your presence felt in big games.

 

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[Trequartista]

Ok so you're persisting with that.

Why is he a better bully than top players? Surely better players should be able to play better against weaker sides, right? I mean something is not adding up here.

The top players perform when it matters as well, they're not complete non-factors in the CL or at WCs.

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I remember when Suarez was being bashed the same way by some people,that he's a scrub killer and doesnt do much in big games and those people are obviously eating crow now.

Expect the same to happen with Hazard soon and not to mention he's only 23 and is far from his prime.I do find him a bit overhyped but tbh this is a rather lazy analysis.You dont have to always score or assist in a big game.

No but you have to be a factor or stand out in some way, which Hazard has failed to do over and over again.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Probably there was a guy (perhaps the same) here as well who argued that the Premier League was bigger than the CL, and that the FA would therefore win in a standoff against UEFA

In all fairness, the city fans over there are not wrong in ridiculing Rummenigge's statements.

but is their statement wrong? EPL does generate more revenue than the CL, and they are right to hate g14 since they are not part of it

 

[Fred]

The top players perform when it matters as well, they're not complete non-factors in the CL or at WCs.

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No but you have to be a factor or stand out in some way, which Hazard has failed to do over and over again.

Hazard has played well in the cl this season, but he was nullyfied by a psg side that defended very well over two legs. In the epl he's played well against the top teams.

but You're still sidestepping my question. Forget the big games for a minute, the majority of the games a footballer will play are against the smaller sides, so if Hazard is not a top player, how come he's been playing better than all the other top players in the epl in the majority of games over the course of a season??

 

[Ocelot]

but is their statement wrong? EPL does generate more revenue than the CL, and they are right to hate g14 since they are not part of it

It does generate more money, but that doesn't mean it's "bigger". I mean that guy was seriously arguing that would the FA be banned from the CL, it would be the Champions League that would suffer more than the English clubs. That's textbook "pride comes before destruction".

Concerning their attitude towards G14, I got no problem with that.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

It does generate more money, but that doesn't mean it's "bigger". I mean that guy was seriously arguing that would the FA be banned from the CL, it would be the Champions League that would suffer more than the English clubs. That's textbook "pride comes before destruction".

Concerning their attitude towards G14, I got no problem with that.

thought he said "commercially bigger", but you are right theyd be stupid to think that by boycotting the CL they would be better off.

 

[Ocelot]

thought he said "commercially bigger", but you are right theyd be stupid to think that by boycotting the CL they would be better off.

Admittedly, it could be that the fan at bluemoon was only talking about commercially bigger, but this guy for example was not: http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/3...ue-2014-2015?p=4824348&viewfull=1#post4824348

 

[Hist]

The guy is the best player in the league this season, I really don't think I should waste any more of my time trying to convince people of his quality. He will win player of the season, because anybody who has been following the EPL this season will tell you how decisive he has been in the title race. I've personally always seen him as a top player, thus I'm not surprised by his form at all.

Simply, Chelsea fans will tell you he's their best player this season, this is a team that boasts the likes of Fabregas and Diego Costa.

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Robben is world class, and I would definitely agree that he's better than Hazard.

I love Ribery, really one of my favourite players since his Marseille days, but he's past it these days, he's lost a lot of his pace and continuity.

Do you disagree that Hazard has been the standout player in the EPL this season.

He has been the best player in the EPL but Its not just down to his skill but rather because the better players were either struggling (Di Maria) or injured (Aguero). I also take Sanchez to be just as good.

 

[Fred]

He has been the best player in the EPL but Its not just down to his skill but rather because the better players were either struggling (Di Maria) or injured (Aguero). I also take Sanchez to be just as good.

Aguero was injured for 6-7 weeks, but even Aguero aside. You still have other top players like Sanchez, David Silva, Y.Toure, Rooney. His own team Chelsea boasts the likes of Fabregas and Diego Costa. He's played better than and has been more consistent than all those players in the league. I mean seriously, no amount of excuses you make for other players, masks the fact that Hazard is the standout performer in a league that is arguably second only to the La Liga in terms of star quality.
@Trequartista, still waiting for an answer to my question.

 

[Alex-444]

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[Xperd]

City

 

[lgorTudor]

City

forgot to tune in Thanks for the reminder and yes, indeed

 

[Xperd]

They play United away next.Would be hilarious if they missed out on CL altogether but chances of that happening are remote.

 

[Alex-444]

Premier League PPTS
1 Chelsea 70
2 Arsenal 63
3 Manchester United 62
4 Manchester City 61
5 Liverpool 54
6 Tottenham Hotspur 55

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Who's lost points?

 

[Hist]

Aguero was injured for 6-7 weeks, but even Aguero aside. You still have other top players like Sanchez, David Silva, Y.Toure, Rooney. His own team Chelsea boasts the likes of Fabregas and Diego Costa. He's played better than and has been more consistent than all those players in the league. I mean seriously, no amount of excuses you make for other players, masks the fact that Hazard is the standout performer in a league that is arguably second only to the La Liga in terms of star quality.
@Trequartista, still waiting for an answer to my question.

I just dont see him as a future great at the level of lets say Robben or Nedved etc.. His decision making and finishing are very poor. 12 Goals (including 3 penalties) and 7 assists in the EPL today is just not impressive for me from a player thats hailed to be the next best thing after messi and ronaldo.

I'd take many players before him. Sanchez in his first season has 14 goals and 8 assists without scoring any penalties. Kane and Costa both have 19 goals and 3 assists each also in their first season (only two penalties for Kane and none for Costa). Aguero (who has been injured a lot) has 17 goals and 6 assists. I wouldnt say Hazard's 12 Goals and 7 assists are any better than those numbers (actually worse) and three of those have been penalties. This doesnt strike me as standing out at all they have all more or less done the same and he is the only one playing in a winning team and apart from aguero isnt having his first season in his team.

He is good but nothing out of the ordinary so far atleast. I dont like his decision making and I dont like his finishing (though that can be improved overtime). He isnt standing out. Suarez and Bale were standing out and Ronaldo before them was standing out. He is as good as the rest but is far from the layer of top players just beneath Messi and Ronaldo.

 

[JuveJay]

City are utter shit, what a weak pussy mentality team.

 

[Fr3sh]

I just dont see him as a future great at the level of lets say Robben or Nedved etc.. His decision making and finishing are very poor. 12 Goals (including 3 penalties) and 7 assists in the EPL today is just not impressive for me from a player thats hailed to be the next best thing after messi and ronaldo.

I'd take many players before him. Sanchez in his first season has 14 goals and 8 assists without scoring any penalties. Kane and Costa both have 19 goals and 3 assists each also in their first season (only two penalties for Kane and none for Costa). Aguero (who has been injured a lot) has 17 goals and 6 assists. I wouldnt say Hazard's 12 Goals and 7 assists are any better than those numbers (actually worse) and three of those have been penalties. This doesnt strike me as standing out at all they have all more or less done the same and he is the only one playing in a winning team and apart from aguero isnt having his first season in his team.

He is good but nothing out of the ordinary so far atleast. I dont like his decision making and I dont like his finishing (though that can be improved overtime). He isnt standing out. Suarez and Bale were standing out and Ronaldo before them was standing out. He is as good as the rest but is far from the layer of top players just beneath Messi and Ronaldo.

Let me put it this way, if Juve had lots of money and could afford the likes of Hazard, I wouldn't even look at him. I'd get me a Sanchez in a heartbeat over Hazard, or De Bruyen, Lucas, Firmino marcelo bale suarez ibra. Hazard is bunk bro

 

[JuveJay]

Which Lucas, George?

 

[Seven]

Hazard is so overrated. He can dribble and is fast but thats about it. Very bad decision making and finishing. Compared to Robben, Ribery and the two aliens ofcoarse .

He is singlehandedly carrying this Chelsea team to a title. That's not too shabby.

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Let me put it this way, if Juve had lots of money and could afford the likes of Hazard, I wouldn't even look at him. I'd get me a Sanchez in a heartbeat over Hazard, or De Bruyen, Lucas, Firmino marcelo bale suarez ibra. Hazard is bunk bro

Really? Sanchez? That's just silly. Even if he was absolutely on fire in the beginning of the season he has long periods in which he struggles and at Barcelona he was nothing special. Hazard on the other hand has been a driving force for every team he has played for and has never faded for two games in a row.

 

[Ocelot]

He is singlehandedly carrying this Chelsea team to a title. That's not too shabby.

Singlehandedly? I mean I think it's fair to say that he's been the best player this season in the PL, mostly because there's so much more to his game than assists and goals and he's been extremely consistent, but he's not by any means carrying Chelsea to the title. Fabregas, Costa, Terry, Cahill and others had an excellent season as well.