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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I would never cheer for France. I cheered for Brazil against them in 98 and hated seeing them win.

But Thierry Henry was a brilliant player who won every trophy a player could win at both club and international level. He's clearly an all-time great. And people here argue that Totti is on his level. It's pathetic. I don't even particularly like Henry, but he was a brilliant player on every level.

How many players have pulled off a 32 goal, 23 assist season? Not many.
 

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I don't think you can compare the two. I really hate Totti, but he was really good. Many experts said that he would've been better than Zidane if he left for a bigger club. I don't know about that tho.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I don't think you can compare the two. I really hate Totti, but he was really good. Many experts said that he would've been better than Zidane if he left for a bigger club. I don't know about that tho.
Where's the evidence? He was crap in champion's league his entire career. He wasn't even the best player on Roma when they won the scudetto as Batistuta was, and he's been mediocre to terrible in 3 of the 4 international competitions he played in. I can see him being a good player at a big club, but he was never going to be the best player at a big club that would won trophies. He was very good, I've said so, but he wasn't "a great".
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Well, I've watched him play. Did you?
I've been watching him play since 1996. Almost every Roma game against Juve, the occasional game against Milan, and rare games against other clubs. Big matches of Roma's in CL in the past. His National team stuff as well.

He's clearly very good. He had the talent to be great. He just didn't have the mentality, nor did he put in the hard-work. He scored endless goals against mediocre clubs, and made a large number of stunning passes, and brilliant displays. But he never did this consistently against top teams. His record against Juve is appalling, and his performances against Juve 90% of the time mediocre. 9 goals and 3 assists in 35 games against Juve for a player of his abilities and position is appalling.

9 goals and a half-dozen assists in 58 games for the National team is appalling.

Anyways. I've never once said he wasn't talented, and wasn't very good, but he is massively overrated including by a large number of people here.

Thierry Henry was clearly a better player, individual results wise, and with a far better career.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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PI no one wants to defend Totti but seeing you going Zach-mode here with your overexaggeration,it makes it hard not to defend him.
Based on ability alone,he is one of the most talented footballers of his generation.And for a guy who's consistently emphasizing on stats in his argument,there's one impt stat and that is he's 2nd in Serie A all time goalscorers list,for a guy who started out as a Treq.Now thats not a mark of 'just a very good player'.
He is also had a very respectable NT career,better than Henry i wud say(who's hated by the French themselves) and Totti was certainly not 'mediocre' in euro 2000 or wc 2006,its just not about stats,its about influence throughout the game too.
I feel dirty, but these things had to be said.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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PI no one wants to defend Totti but seeing you going Zach-mode here with your overexaggeration,it makes it hard not to defend him.
Based on ability alone,he is one of the most talented footballers of his generation.And for a guy who's consistently emphasizing on stats in his argument,there's one impt stat and that is he's 2nd in Serie A all time goalscorers list,for a guy who started out as a Treq.Now thats not a mark of 'just a very good player'.
He is also had a very respectable NT career,better than Henry i wud say(who's hated by the French themselves) and Totti was certainly not 'mediocre' in euro 2000 or wc 2006,its just not about stats,its about influence throughout the game too.
I feel dirty, but these things had to be said.
Better than Henry with NT? Hahahahah. Retarded. This is ridiculous. 51 goals in 124 games is real mediocre for the national team, including those 11 WC and Euros goals. He got them to the final of Euro 2000 with his game saving goal against Portugal in the semis. Totti scored 9 national team goals and I've watched each of his WC and Euro games for Italy. He was almost anonymous for most of 2006. He had two very good matches in Euro 2000, and was rightfully in the team of the tournament. Aside from that he was mediocre if not Marchisio level invisible. My god, you're delusional if you think his National Team career was better than the 51 goals Henry scored, along with a WC and Euro win. You cannot be this retarded.

He's second all time in Serie A goals because he's played 21 years in Serie A. Name someone else with that many seasons and games.

I've clearly admitted he had the talent to be an all-time great. Ie. One of the best of his generation. He never made the most of it, partially due to laziness at times, and a severely lacking mentality. He's one of the most pathetic players ever to watch when his team is losing.

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Anyways. Fuck this forum. I can't listen to this shit. Tevez and Totti better than Thierry Henry. :rofl:

Cheering for fucking Roma in the CL. :sergio:
 

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PI no one wants to defend Totti but seeing you going Zach-mode here with your overexaggeration,it makes it hard not to defend him.
Based on ability alone,he is one of the most talented footballers of his generation.And for a guy who's consistently emphasizing on stats in his argument,there's one impt stat and that is he's 2nd in Serie A all time goalscorers list,for a guy who started out as a Treq.Now thats not a mark of 'just a very good player'.
He is also had a very respectable NT career,better than Henry i wud say(who's hated by the French themselves) and Totti was certainly not 'mediocre' in euro 2000 or wc 2006,its just not about stats,its about influence throughout the game too.
I feel dirty, but these things had to be said.
this. he gets no love in france, and deservedly so.
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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No one's saying he's better goddamit,dont twist my words.Clearly Henry has had a better career and has been more clutch for his teams but,i made a comparison just based on their abilities alone and you'll see,it becomes a pretty even comparison.
21 seasons in Serie,yet he only started playing false 9 in his 30s.Thats a pretty impressive goal count in my book.
And no one gives a rat's ass about friendly or qualifier goals mate,its about ur impact in major competitions that count if there's needs to be a significant highlight one's career.I was mainly referencing to that.
Also,tone down with the insults and name calling just cos u dont agree with someone.I feel like a cunt for defending Totti but your overexaggerated responses and condescending tone in ur posts made me respond.
I can only type so much frm my mobile.Anyways im out,GN,lets savour this debate for another day.

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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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No one's saying he's better goddamit,dont twist my words.Clearly Henry has had a better career and has been more clutch for his teams but,i made a comparison just based on their abilities alone and you'll see,it becomes a pretty even comparison.
21 seasons in Serie,yet he only started playing false 9 in his 30s.Thats a pretty impressive goal count in my book.
And no one gives a rat's ass about friendly or qualifier goals mate,its about ur impact in major competitions that count if there's needs to be a significant highlight one's career.I was mainly referencing to that.
Also,tone down with the insults and name calling just cos u dont agree with someone.I feel like a $#@! for defending Totti but your overexaggerated responses and condescending tone in ur posts made me respond.
I can only type so much frm my mobile.Anyways im out,GN,lets savour this debate for another day.

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I apologize for the insults, I'm just getting irritated with this endless defending of Totti on this forum. I wasn't referring to you saying Totti was better than Henry, that was for others.

I've stated many times, that i was exaggerating when I compared Totti to Di Natale, and said Henry was a million times better. In fact, this is about the 4th time I've said it now. So let's put that rest.

Henry may be hated by the French, but scored 11 World Cup and European Championship goals for the France national team which is a far cry more than Totti's 3. Totti wasn't a striker, of course, but he was an attacker, and 11 goals as opposed to 3 is quite a difference. And considering that Henry was a major contribute in terms of goals for both WC 98 and Euro 2000, which the French won, the fact he's hated by the French, shows only that the French are retarded and only think about the most recent matches. If Henry is hated by the French, the Italians should want to crucify Totti for his idiocy in WC 2002, and Euro 2004, in which he played a major part in Italy's group stage exits with his stupidity.

Regardless. Totti's number of goals is impressive, but his performances in big games, against big teams in Serie A, CL, and for the most part of his international career was not of the quality that qualifies one to be a great. He scored the vast majority of his goals, and looked like a legendary all-time great against the smaller clubs in Serie A for the better part of his career. He's still a very good player, and had a career that straddles that very good--great line in my opinion.

But Thierry Henry is clearly a great, for what he accomplished with Arsenal, Barcelona, and the French National Team. He scored 226 goals in only 8 seasons with Arsenal, to Totti's 294 goals in almost 22 seasons with Roma.

Anyways. Maybe Henry isn't as far above Totti as I think, but he's clearly had a better career and performed better on the biggest stages, both for club and country. And he's won more trophies with his clubs by a country mile.
 

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