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Osman

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We added Pjanic and it was an awesome and full CM. Now we have to replace a player that offered everything, dribbling, passing, defensive work.
Yeah that's the insane task, we only needed backup with having Pogba and adding extra needed quality attacking CMvto improve the midfield. But when you sell the most complete top midfielder in the sport, it becomes an incredibly daunting task to not become too far from previous level by needing to add more then one player that adds similar dynamicism as a collective.

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italiacalcio10

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We should offer Coman a huge contract so he refuses Bayern. Ultimately, all Coman's Bayern option allows is for the agreement with the club to fixed with a set purchase price. He still needs to agree on a contract with Bayern. If we offer him a huge extension (which we can because he is under contract with us), and he refuses Bayern, bam! we get Coman back.
 

MikeM

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I don't necessarily like the thought of "balance" in the midfield. The players don't really function independent of each other. It's not like you need one guy to do *all* the passing and one guy to do *all* the ball-winning.

If we sign Matuidi, he will play LCM, right? So what if the ball goes to the other side of the pitch, will he run there and win it too? No.

It's about finding your playing style and optimizing it. In the past, I would say we were more successful countering because we didn't have the attack that could hold possession and force the opponent to play more timidly. In that scenario, I might prefer Matuidi.

But now, look at this attack. From left to right you can go Alex Sandro, Higuain, Dybala, Alves. They all hold the ball in possession. Now we swapped Pogba for Pjanic. More possession. The equation is almost exponential for me. I'd prefer to add even more possession players in the midfield because they all amplify each other. There were small examples vs. West Ham. Look at Dybala's effectiveness with Alves and Pjanic instead of Licht and Khedira. There were moments when we held the ball on his side of the pitch with like 20 passes. Yes, it would be nice to enjoy some "tiki taka" moments, especially in the CL.

There's a reason certain players have never fit Barca. It's because you need 11 players to play one style, not 10 or 9.

Can you imagine someone like Matuidi at Barca? Well he will recover balls on his side but the drop in possession % would be huge. Not worth it. Can Pjanic replace Pogba's ball winning, and aerial strength? No. But can our *team* have the ball more so that we don't need to win it back? Yes.

Will Higuain and Dybala get more balls and get them quicker? Yes. Isn't that better? Now imagine even more service in the midfield.
 
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We should offer Coman a huge contract so he refuses Bayern. Ultimately, all Coman's Bayern option allows is for the agreement with the club to fixed with a set purchase price. He still needs to agree on a contract with Bayern. If we offer him a huge extension (which we can because he is under contract with us), and he refuses Bayern, bam! we get Coman back.
Back to sleep.
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
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I don't necessarily like the thought of "balance" in the midfield. The players don't really function independent of each other. It's not like you need one guy to do *all* the passing and one guy to do *all* the ball-winning.

If we sign Matuidi, he will play LCM, right? So what if the ball goes to the other side of the pitch, will he run there and win it too? No.

It's about finding your playing style and optimizing it. In the past, I would say we were more successful countering because we didn't have the attack that could hold possession and force the opponent to play more timidly. In that scenario, I might prefer Matuidi.

But now, look at this attack. From left to right you can go Alex Sandro, Higuain, Dybala, Alves. They all hold the ball in possession. Now we swapped Pogba for Pjanic. More possession. The equation is almost exponential for me. I'd prefer to add even more possession players in the midfield because they all amplify each other. There were small examples vs. West Ham. Look at Dybala's effectiveness with Alves and Pjanic instead of Licht and Khedira. There were moments when we held the ball on his side of the pitch with like 20 passes. Yes, it would be nice to enjoy some "tiki taka" moments, especially in the CL.

There's a reason certain players have never fit Barca. It's because you need 11 players to play one style, not 10 or 9.

Can you imagine someone like Matuidi at Barca? Well he will recover balls on his side but the drop in possession % would be huge. Not worth it. Can Pjanic replace Pogba's ball winning, and aerial strength? No. But can our *team* have the ball more so that we don't need to win it back? Yes.

Will Higuain and Dybala get more balls and get them quicker? Yes. Isn't that better? Now imagine even more service in the midfield.
Names please.
 
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Guys like Biglia and Vecino come to mind if looking at Serie A players.

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Is it not worth a try?

We probably get shutdown, but it would be nice to have Bayern "develop" a player for us after the Morata fiasco.
Coman is staying at Bayern. We have Pjaca now let's hope he becomes our next successful project.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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I don't necessarily like the thought of "balance" in the midfield. The players don't really function independent of each other. It's not like you need one guy to do *all* the passing and one guy to do *all* the ball-winning.

If we sign Matuidi, he will play LCM, right? So what if the ball goes to the other side of the pitch, will he run there and win it too? No.

It's about finding your playing style and optimizing it. In the past, I would say we were more successful countering because we didn't have the attack that could hold possession and force the opponent to play more timidly. In that scenario, I might prefer Matuidi.

But now, look at this attack. From left to right you can go Alex Sandro, Higuain, Dybala, Alves. They all hold the ball in possession. Now we swapped Pogba for Pjanic. More possession. The equation is almost exponential for me. I'd prefer to add even more possession players in the midfield because they all amplify each other. There were small examples vs. West Ham. Look at Dybala's effectiveness with Alves and Pjanic instead of Licht and Khedira. There were moments when we held the ball on his side of the pitch with like 20 passes. Yes, it would be nice to enjoy some "tiki taka" moments, especially in the CL.

There's a reason certain players have never fit Barca. It's because you need 11 players to play one style, not 10 or 9.

Can you imagine someone like Matuidi at Barca? Well he will recover balls on his side but the drop in possession % would be huge. Not worth it. Can Pjanic replace Pogba's ball winning, and aerial strength? No. But can our *team* have the ball more so that we don't need to win it back? Yes.

Will Higuain and Dybala get more balls and get them quicker? Yes. Isn't that better? Now imagine even more service in the midfield.
Good post because CL requires that extra technical level. But it needs to be balanced and not overdone, this can work extra well vs smaller opponents, extra creative possession, but without steel and ball winning player how are we to impose ourselves on big games? It's ideal if they are tough while being skillfull, like our fullbacks are, like Higuain is, Pogba was for us.

But if you have weaker slower Pjanic, and similar technical player on other side of CM, then someone is going to be extra burdened off the ball without the team lacking more of that aggressive / physical quality. Unless we press together very high together as a team (as Peps Barca and Bayern did), but it doesn't seem to be Allegris style except for Mandzukic, Allegri prefers dropping off and countering.


Maybe he changes his M.O with more silky midfield or players in general. And certainly it was lovely to see us in first half vs West Ham, so much solutions :)



P. S I would love your suggestion if it means signing Isco or someone in that level. But they need to be able to function in 3-5-2.

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Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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This whole saga is annoying
Pogba wants Utd? ok sign it already an be done with!
We need a replacement? lets get our target already we are at August we need some training as a group!
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Ideally there is Koke, Verratti, Thiago, Modric. All unattainable.

Below that you might have James, Rakitic, Saul, Gomes. Still probably unattainable.

After that you might go Herrera, Turan, Kovacic, Valero as attainable targets. There is also Isco and Draxler but as pure CMs it's risky. As CAMs it would be worth looking at. Same with Pastore.

Banega would have been interesting. Rabiot, Dahoud are interesting.
 

italiacalcio10

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Mar 3, 2014
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Good post because CL requires that extra technical level. But it needs to be balanced and not overdone, this can work extra well vs smaller opponents, extra creative possession, but without steel and ball winning player how are we to impose ourselves on big games? It's ideal if they are tough while being skillfull, like our fullbacks are, like Higuain is, Pogba was for us.

But if you have weaker slower Pjanic, and similar technical player on other side of CM, then someone is going to be extra burdened off the ball without the team lacking more of that aggressive / physical quality. Unless we press together very high together as a team (as Peps Barca and Bayern did), but it doesn't seem to be Allegris style except for Mandzukic, Allegri prefers dropping off and countering.


Maybe he changes his M.O with more silky midfield or players in general. And certainly it was lovely to see us in first half vs West Ham, so much solutions :)



P. S I would love your suggestion if it means signing Isco or someone in that level. But they need to be able to function in 3-5-2.

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That is why Verratti would be so good. He has both grinta & creativity.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Ideally there is Koke, Verratti, Thiago, Modric. All unattainable.

Below that you might have James, Rakitic, Saul, Gomes. Still probably unattainable.

After that you might go Herrera, Turan, Kovacic, Valero as attainable targets. There is also Isco and Draxler but as pure CMs it's risky. As CAMs it would be worth looking at. Same with Pastore.

Banega would have been interesting. Rabiot, Dahoud are interesting.
Koke has a release clause at 60M IIRC!
As for Saul he is a very interesting player not sure if he fits
Banega - he has some quality but I never liked him... Rabiot is nothing special IMO Dahoud would cost a fortune and is way unproven for this kind of sum!
Isco loan+option would be great same for Kovacic
Herrera is probably the most fit of them all and also attainable!
Turan I wont sign him on a free transfer!
 
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