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zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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took Juve to 5 scudettos and 2 coppas and 1 CL final and 1 quarterfinal as our main formation. Took the worst italy squad in history to the quarter final of the euros beating Sweden, Belgium and Spain in convincing fashion and losing out to Germany on penalties. Useless formation :lol:

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Kante actually proved his qualities over the course of last season. He was the best DM in the EPL for a year (one of the best in Europe) and was an essential part of the trio that did the Ranieri miracle. He works incredibly hard, is one hell of a tackler (4.7 tackles per game on average) and is great at intercepting passes (4.2 interceptions). These are stats over the course of an entire season not a small sample of games. He has been an absolute monster for lester defensively.
For some perspective these are vidal's stats (2.4 tackles) and (1.3 interceptions) at Bayern. Kante's defensive numbers are like Vidal's at Juve and lverkusen.

So no Kante is not overrated. We are all in agreement that he isnt a good passer and that his role at Lester didnt require him to be one and so played to his defensive strengths. We could use a monster ball winner like that to give freedom to pogba and pjanic.

Lemina has been alright as a sub for us but is far from the proven quality that Kante is. He has different attributes anyway. I'd definitely swap them we would be getting a monster of a ball winner who is experienced and is a big game player. I'd go for Kante regardless of Lemina's status. He can be very useful for us especially that we havent had that kind of ball winner since vidal left.
EPL
kick run lose ball
kick run lose ball
kick run lose ball
kick run goal
kick run lose ball...

BL (vs Bayern)
Defend, defend, defend, concede
Defend, defend....

My Grandma would average 2 tackles per game in EPL, let alone someone like Kante. Those stats arent that special, he plays in a league that has the most possesion changes per game in Europe and for an underdog team, ofcourse hes gonna have many tackles and interceptions. What i saw of him for France was enough really, hes a guy that runs a lot and covers a lot of ground but is very limited on the ball. And his limitations is exactly the reason id stay away from him. Vidal was 10x the passer he is yet he still struggled in some games against top sides. If you can't pass the ball and are generally useless on offense you have nothing to do on the highest level and should play in England for the rest of your life. Now, the comparation with Lemina is a bit unfair. The kid is still 22 and his potential is higher than that of Kante. I never said hes better right now, but potentially hes better than Kante will ever be. Definitely wouldnt want to lose him so easily, so unless he asks for a transfer we shouldnt "sacrifice" him, especially not for Kante. If we can get Kante without selling Lemina and no better options are available OK, get him, he will do fine as 5th CM for a year or two, but not at the expense of Lemina. Thats all

In a few years, you'll remember how you once wanted to swap Lemina for Kante and you will laught at how idiotic you were
 

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Collaguazo

Pezuña Brava
Mar 4, 2012
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EPL
kick run lose ball
kick run lose ball
kick run lose ball
kick run goal
kick run lose ball...

BL (vs Bayern)
Defend, defend, defend, concede
Defend, defend....

My Grandma would average 2 tackles per game in EPL, let alone someone like Kante. Those stats arent that special, he plays in a league that has the most possesion changes per game in Europe and for an underdog team, ofcourse hes gonna have many tackles and interceptions. What i saw of him for France was enough really, hes a guy that runs a lot and covers a lot of ground but is very limited on the ball. And his limitations is exactly the reason id stay away from him. Vidal was 10x the passer he is yet he still struggled in some games against top sides. If you can't pass the ball and are generally useless on offense you have nothing to do on the highest level and should play in England for the rest of your life. Now, the comparation with Lemina is a bit unfair. The kid is still 22 and his potential is higher than that of Kante. I never said hes better right now, but potentially hes better than Kante will ever be. Definitely wouldnt want to lose him so easily, so unless he asks for a transfer we shouldnt "sacrifice" him, especially not for Kante. If we can get Kante without selling Lemina and no better options are available OK, get him, he will do fine as 5th CM for a year or two, but not at the expense of Lemina. Thats all

In a few years, you'll remember how you once wanted to swap Lemina for Kante and you will laught at how idiotic you were
You overrate Lemina way too much.
 

Catenaccio

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2002
3,363
what a boring summer mercato! 2months left and we're already done with all the names they could possibly link to us.
How will we pass our days?


Anyhow nice job from Bayern with Renato Sanches really impressed me so far!
Hmmm. So far we have landed Alves and Pjanic and lost Morata (which was not unexpected going in). I wouldn't call that boring considering that there have been 2 tournaments going on in the background. After the Euros, I expect we will get our Morata replacement and perhaps 1 or 2 other players. So long as we don't lose Pogba and we get a decent Morata replacement, it would be a very good mercato all things considered.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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EPL
kick run lose ball
kick run lose ball
kick run lose ball
kick run goal
kick run lose ball...

BL (vs Bayern)
Defend, defend, defend, concede
Defend, defend....

My Grandma would average 2 tackles per game in EPL, let alone someone like Kante. Those stats arent that special, he plays in a league that has the most possesion changes per game in Europe and for an underdog team, ofcourse hes gonna have many tackles and interceptions. What i saw of him for France was enough really, hes a guy that runs a lot and covers a lot of ground but is very limited on the ball. And his limitations is exactly the reason id stay away from him. Vidal was 10x the passer he is yet he still struggled in some games against top sides. If you can't pass the ball and are generally useless on offense you have nothing to do on the highest level and should play in England for the rest of your life. Now, the comparation with Lemina is a bit unfair. The kid is still 22 and his potential is higher than that of Kante. I never said hes better right now, but potentially hes better than Kante will ever be. Definitely wouldnt want to lose him so easily, so unless he asks for a transfer we shouldnt "sacrifice" him, especially not for Kante. If we can get Kante without selling Lemina and no better options are available OK, get him, he will do fine as 5th CM for a year or two, but not at the expense of Lemina. Thats all

In a few years, you'll remember how you once wanted to swap Lemina for Kante and you will laught at how idiotic you were
I still do not see Lemina's insane potential the way you do. I think he will be good but nothing special. Kante to me has very high potential as a ball-winner more than Lemina does as a well-rounded midfielder if that makes any sense.

Kante's numbers are beastly even given the EPL's style of football. Henderson, Coquelin, Gerrard, nigel de jong, Fernando, Fernandinho, Toure, carrick, matic and others are good players who dont get even close to his numbers. Comparing his numbers to his EPL counterparts in the last few years he comes out clearly on top. Matic's beast season when chelsea won the title had much inferior numbers to Kante's so again don't brush him aside so easily. We are going to have an exceptionally creative midfield with both Pogba and Pjanic in the midfield. A guy like Kante can provide them with very good cover doing all the dirty work much better than Lemina could. I would very much prefer Pogba - Kante - Pjanic to Pogba - Lemina - Pjanic.

I would also prefer
--------Pjanic
Pogba - Kante - Khedira

over: Pjanic
Pogba- Lemina - Khedira
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Lemina has shown good stuff, and has barely started here.


Kante had allready a full season as a starter, and is two years older


Lemina is a big talent waiting to explode
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
You all knoe that if we sign cavani, he will come spirited as fuck because he will be finally in a topt tier team with history, not some fabricated bullshid.

He will play his heart out here and reach his peak.
Having the amount of quality behind him he will have here, and playing for him, theres no way he will flop.

You all know we turn those kind of players into gold.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
I still do not see Lemina's insane potential the way you do. I think he will be good but nothing special. Kante to me has very high potential as a ball-winner more than Lemina does as a well-rounded midfielder if that makes any sense.

Kante's numbers are beastly even given the EPL's style of football. Henderson, Coquelin, Gerrard, nigel de jong, Fernando, Fernandinho, Toure, carrick, matic and others are good players who dont get even close to his numbers. Comparing his numbers to his EPL counterparts in the last few years he comes out clearly on top. Matic's beast season when chelsea won the title had much inferior numbers to Kante's so again don't brush him aside so easily. We are going to have an exceptionally creative midfield with both Pogba and Pjanic in the midfield. A guy like Kante can provide them with very good cover doing all the dirty work much better than Lemina could. I would very much prefer Pogba - Kante - Pjanic to Pogba - Lemina - Pjanic.

I would also prefer
--------Pjanic
Pogba - Kante - Khedira

over: Pjanic
Pogba- Lemina - Khedira
Lets agree to disagree, you don't rate Lemina as much as I do and I don't rate Kante so much. Hopefully we don't do that stupid swap and lose a top prospect CM

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Any reason we don't have a thread for Pjaca?
We don't want to jinx it
 
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