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AOD4

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Nov 24, 2004
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Fabio Guild will have taken note, André Gomes is definitely a player from Juventus . Not that the Bianconeri ds presence in Saint Etienne to watch the match between Portugal and Iceland were to certify the value of the class of '93 midfielder Valencia, but it definitely served to reinforce their beliefs about a market track at today's complicated but not impossible . Manchester United Mourinho , who shares the prosecutor with Gomes (Jorge Mendes), at the time remains in the lead because of the Portuguese evaluation remains very high and the availability of Red Devils to put a figure on the flat between 40 and 50 million EUR is greater. But everything can change if Juventus entered the order of ideas to sell Pogba for monstre figures and at that point there would be in cash liquidity for the assault groped former Benfica. Who prefers a central location as a fulcrum of the middle, but with Portugal Liga and has been shown to be able to disengage from midfielder , stroke, quality and capacity, insertion, as confirming the action with Vierinha that all'assist port for Nani . A player from Juventus, in short.

I hope we get him without seling Pogba. It seems its just a matter of matching the valuation with Valencia.
 

JuveID

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Anyone who thinks Ibra will be benched by Mandzukic is litterally insane.


The speculation is silly as $#@!, he is going to Man U, litterally nowhere else he can go, maybe at best a suprise Chelsea switch.
Thingking Mandzukic over Ibra is not insane, coaches always have their choice.
It's depend on what coach need.
Dimaria benched by Ashley young, James Rodriguez benched by lucas vazquez. Isco and saul left out of euro because of vazquez.
And tomorrow, we will probably see Deschamps will bench Pogba.

In workrate point of view, Mandzukic has more over Ibra by miles.
 

Osman

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And in everything else but work rate Ibra is miles ahead of Mandzukic (and Ibra isn't lazy exactly), it's simple about being better, a striker who scores 40 goals and 10 assists is top of the class level player. When the difference of quality and output is significant enough then work rate or playing style matters less.


Your examples are valid when the better player is off form (James) or they are backup anyway so you go for the lesser player that offers more varied options (as with Spain NT). But it's not the case when both are start worthy, then you go with the one that's essentially still one or the best around at near 35.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Ibra and Mandzu have nothing in familiar except both are tall. Mandzu draws defenders deeper, opening space for Dybala, he runs much more than Ibra, doesn't hold the ball almost at all etc, Ibra is far-far better in almost everything else, but he thrives with runners/finishers around him. All I'm saying Ibra is totally different player, and he needs to be a focal point of his team.
 

JuveID

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Feb 5, 2015
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And in everything else but work rate Ibra is miles ahead of Mandzukic (and Ibra isn't lazy exactly), it's simple about being better, a striker who scores 40 goals and 10 assists is top of the class level player. When the difference of quality and output is significant enough then work rate or playing style matters less.


Your examples are valid when the better player is off form (James) or they are backup anyway so you go for the lesser player that offers more varied options (as with Spain NT). But it's not the case when both are start worthy, then you go with the one that's essentially still one or the best around at near 35.
We talk about who would be starter or play.
Vazquez can give what isco, saul, and James can not give for Zidane or Basque.
Tomorrow, we will see two of best talented players in the world ( Pogba and Griezmann ) will possibly not start against Albania.
Why? It is not who is better, It is about what coach need.
If mandzukic can give what Allegri want while Ibra can not give it, why starting mandzukic over Ibra is insane?
It depend what coach need.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Thingking Mandzukic over Ibra is not insane, coaches always have their choice.
It's depend on what coach need.
Dimaria benched by Ashley young, James Rodriguez benched by lucas vazquez. Isco and saul left out of euro because of vazquez.
And tomorrow, we will probably see Deschamps will bench Pogba.

In workrate point of view, Mandzukic has more over Ibra by miles
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Good thing he has that thing over him...
It is true that what fits the coach better is the right choice but choosing Mandzukic over Ibra is stupid anyway since Ibra is the type of player it is worth changing formations for!
Its like saying I`ll take Mandzukic over Messi because of his height and strength...
In midfield though it might be different as there are defending players and attacking ones (AM CM DM and also has roles there...). While in attack there is a diversity in roles in midfield it is much more meaningful as you cannot use 4 attacking midfielders in a 4-4-2 formation while you can use two support strikers or two box strikers...

In any case it doesnt matter in what formation you play Ibra will definitely be a better choice than Mandzukic in terms of play (Harmony at the squad is a different thing though...)
 
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