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GiocataGrande

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They invested 130mln in Fabinho and Keita. I also know a LFC supporter and he wasn't crying for Can neither. However, he wasn't too happy losing him for free. It's the same for us, as a free agent or even including the sign on fee and his relatively hefty salary it was a good deal. Clearly the club decised to put faith in young players like Can and Bentancur to flourish. It was a risky decision but still, they have proven and very experienced midfielders like Matuidi, Khedira and Pjanic next to them. Emre and Bentancur (especially after a successful World Cup) aren't anonymous neither. It's true we didn't invest in midfield but we did bring Ronaldo and Cancelo, two excellent signings. We also brought back Bonucci and did not sell any of our starters. Have some common sense. Obviously it would be perfect if we also brought Modric and Pogba/SMS but it doesn't mean it was possible.

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I agree on most of the other points you mention here, but you are still directing the question towards other factors here and not focusing on the actual ability of the player which is in question. I dont need excuses for why it was defendable to invest in him when it is clearly obvious that he is below what should be our standard, tbh its even debatable that he indeed would improve over Khedira, the only thing he has going for him is his age and that he was "Free".

I have a very hard time seeing him as something more than a benchworthy player at our club. Especially now that we have started to make actual progress on a bigger scale , and not just dominate a poor league in Serie A, that has been the shadow of itself since the 1990's.

Our ambition deserves better

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To think some said here in the summer that can would complete our midfield is absurd. If anything this midfield craves a pogba or Milinkovic Savic
Lol, Can will never "complete" any midfield. the guy is past the "talent" stage, what we see now is more or less the finished product.

Sure, players can improve and develop but its fairly easy to see that he does not posess any extraordinary ability with the ball and has a fairly limited toolbox as a player.

This "potential" is all very limited to be perfectly honest.


Edgar Davids was around the same age when we bought him, and noone needed a lot of reassurance..... just saying.
 
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The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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I agree on most of the other points you mention here, but you are still directing the question towards other factors here and not focusing on the actual ability of the player which is in question. I dont need excuses for why it was defendable to invest in him when it is clearly obvious that he is below what should be our standard, tbh its even debatable that he indeed would improve over Khedira, the only thing he has going for him is his age and that he was "Free".

I have a very hard time seeing him as something more than a benchworthy player at our club. Especially now that we have started to make actual progress on a bigger scale , and not just dominate a poor league in Serie A, that has been the shadow of itself since the 1990's.

Our ambition deserves better

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Lol, Can will never "complete" any midfield. the guy is past the "talent" stage, what we see now is more or less the finished product.

Sure, players can improve and develop but its fairly easy to see that he does not posess any extraordinary ability with the ball and has a fairly limited toolbox as a player.

This "potential" is all very limited to be perfectly honest.


Edgar Davids was around the same age when we bought him, and noone needed a lot of reassurance..... just saying.
I am not looking at him as a savior of our midfield. However, what makes you say that "he is below what should be our standard"? If I'm not mistaken the last Deloitte report showed our revenue to be only a half of the teams like Madrid, Barcelona, United, Bayern and significantly smaller than Arsenal, Chelsea, City etc. Our standard is more like Liverpool who financed Fabinho and Keita by Coutinho.

Ronaldo is one of the very rare examples when we invested heavily in a player. However, his transfer cannot be compared to any other obviously. As we heard from the board and CR's entourage the negotiations began after our tie with Madrid in 1/4 which has surely affected our transfer strategy for the summer. Since we found out about the gentleman's agreement he had with Madrid regarding the 100mln transfer fee our transfer budget for other targets shrinked drastically and mind you we still bought Cancelo. And please don't tell me that everything changed after CR transfer because we are still restricted by FFP, just look at the issues PSG and City are having.

Our last couple of mercatos were financed by sales of other players. So whom we should have sold to finance a midfielder acquisition? Your opinion is totally detached from reality as nothing was indicating an investment in midfield. Actually the Can opportunity was a blessing for us. Imagine you're Paratici and have 100 mln to spend while the team is in a need of a midfielder. Then you are informed that Cristiano Ronaldo is available for 100mln. You can spend 80mln on Naby Keita who has only played in Red Bull and is a risky investment or get Emre Can for free and buy Ronaldo. Make your choice.
 

GiocataGrande

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May 26, 2016
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I am not looking at him as a savior of our midfield. However, what makes you say that "he is below what should be our standard"? If I'm not mistaken the last Deloitte report showed our revenue to be only a half of the teams like Madrid, Barcelona, United, Bayern and significantly smaller than Arsenal, Chelsea, City etc. Our standard is more like Liverpool who financed Fabinho and Keita by Coutinho.

Ronaldo is one of the very rare examples when we invested heavily in a player. However, his transfer cannot be compared to any other obviously. As we heard from the board and CR's entourage the negotiations began after our tie with Madrid in 1/4 which has surely affected our transfer strategy for the summer. Since we found out about the gentleman's agreement he had with Madrid regarding the 100mln transfer fee our transfer budget for other targets shrinked drastically and mind you we still bought Cancelo. And please don't tell me that everything changed after CR transfer because we are still restricted by FFP, just look at the issues PSG and City are having.

Our last couple of mercatos were financed by sales of other players. So whom we should have sold to finance a midfielder acquisition? Your opinion is totally detached from reality as nothing was indicating an investment in midfield. Actually the Can opportunity was a blessing for us. Imagine you're Paratici and have 100 mln to spend while the team is in a need of a midfielder. Then you are informed that Cristiano Ronaldo is available for 100mln. You can spend 80mln on Naby Keita who has only played in Red Bull and is a risky investment or get Emre Can for free and buy Ronaldo. Make your choice.
It might be detached from reality in terms of our spending possibilites this or last year, but im talking about acquiring players that suit our ambition going forward into the future. We do value growth right?

I think it should be a fairly easy point to understand.

Offcourse Paratici does his job with a limited budget, but im sure there will be better opportunities going forward.

That said, we still look to continue the same policy if all these Ramsey rumors turn out to be true.

I hope it will be enough for us, but i have my doubts.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
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It might be detached from reality in terms of our spending possibilites this or last year, but im talking about acquiring players that suit our ambition going forward into the future. We do value growth right?

I think it should be a fairly easy point to understand.

Offcourse Paratici does his job with a limited budget, but im sure there will be better opportunities going forward.

That said, we still look to continue the same policy if all these Ramsey rumors turn out to be true.

I hope it will be enough for us, but i have my doubts.
Obviously we do value growth. Personally, I would also rather Juventus sign SMS instead of Can but it was simply impossible to spend 112m on CR, 40 on Cancelo, 40 on Costa and another 100m on a midfielder. Unless we win the CL what would definitely increase our income both directly through bonuses from sponsors and UEFA and also increased exposure to new sponsors, I think we will still be affected by our summer spending during the following mercato, hence the Ramsey transfer as you noticed.
 

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