Once they cross that border illegally, its nobody's fault but their own that they get their rights violated.
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Egypt: the worst country in the world? (2 Viewers)
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As a government (hello Government Fred, btw, title suits you) you are responsible for whoever is within your borders at any given time. They may be citizens, tourists or foreigners who snuck across the border or who overstayed their tourist visa. If they are there, and you as the authorities consent to this or are unable to do anything about it, then that doesn't absolve you of the responsibility. If you're not responsible, who is? It's not like their home government has the right to invade your country to order those people out.
You're talking about them as if they're a bunch of kids who don't understand the consequences or ramifications of their own actions. Neither the home government nor the illegal's government are responsible for them once they've crossed that border illegally. They're responsible for themselves and should understand that they are here illegally and therefore do not have a legitimate claim to equal rights or anything of the sort.
Governments should clamp down on illegal immigrants by deporting them and putting them in a blacklist not allowing them to ever enter the country again.
Governments should clamp down on illegal immigrants by deporting them and putting them in a blacklist not allowing them to ever enter the country again.
We're talking about basic rights that ensure decent working conditions. If you as a government look the other way while your own industry creates a de facto slave labor class of workers, you're just as guilty of it as they are. No government that values basic principles of human decency would allow that.
You are talking about the people who are already at the bottom rung of society, working the most menial jobs. What is the grudge you seem to have against these people?
You are talking about the people who are already at the bottom rung of society, working the most menial jobs. What is the grudge you seem to have against these people?
So deporting people who are here illegally is violating their rights? What right do they have to be here in the first place?
Oh, well you mentioned "laws that allow that behavior" so it didn't seem like you knew.
What is interesting about this sentiment? There are nuts in every debate who are willing to take up extreme measures regardless of the potentially cruel and devastating effects of their actions.
Hell, if they weren't being watched so closely by authorities then the Arizona militias would be out in the desert lynching every boarder jumper they came across instead of just watching and calling INS. If you look then you can find people who favor far more "extreme" methods than police having carte blanche with hispanics.
But that doesn't mean that they are an accurate representation of the sentiment in the U.S. or even specifically Arizona.
Oh, well you mentioned "laws that allow that behavior" so it didn't seem like you knew.
What is interesting about this sentiment? There are nuts in every debate who are willing to take up extreme measures regardless of the potentially cruel and devastating effects of their actions.
Hell, if they weren't being watched so closely by authorities then the Arizona militias would be out in the desert lynching every boarder jumper they came across instead of just watching and calling INS. If you look then you can find people who favor far more "extreme" methods than police having carte blanche with hispanics.
But that doesn't mean that they are an accurate representation of the sentiment in the U.S. or even specifically Arizona.
Why would i have anything against them? the only thing i have against them is that they're breaking the law. Its so typical, whenever someone says anything against illegal immigrants, then he must have something against them. If i was white, i would have been called a racist.
As a government i won't look the other way, i'll find these organizations/companies that are employing illegal immigrants and punish them harshly too. I'm guessing governments like the American one are too lenient with employers that employ illegal immigrants.
A governments main purpose is to ensure its citizens welfare, illegal immigrants illegally leech off the country they migrate to, they are a threat to a country's lawful citizens. Therefore they should be treated as such and should be punished accordingly.
Like Andy said, they shouldn't be there in the first place, the argument about their rights shouldn't even occur, because they have no right to be there anyway.
If they want equal rights, they should enter a country legally and through the proper channels.
As a government i won't look the other way, i'll find these organizations/companies that are employing illegal immigrants and punish them harshly too. I'm guessing governments like the American one are too lenient with employers that employ illegal immigrants.
A governments main purpose is to ensure its citizens welfare, illegal immigrants illegally leech off the country they migrate to, they are a threat to a country's lawful citizens. Therefore they should be treated as such and should be punished accordingly.
Like Andy said, they shouldn't be there in the first place, the argument about their rights shouldn't even occur, because they have no right to be there anyway.
If they want equal rights, they should enter a country legally and through the proper channels.
Agreed.
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I read the first page only but I must add:
-I know many places where they always hire immigrants -with other non egyptian passports specially- over Egyptians, and pay them a lot better
-I know many places where they refuse hiring veiled woman, and it's pathetic we fight for veiled women rights in France but it happens here too
-ALL the couples my age, the girl worked before the guy and makes more money, believe me stats dont always prove things
for example, iaquinta is our 2009 top scorer..
and at the end I must also say, Egypt is the country of contradictions, in everything, people own BBs when they have not enough money to eat, and some own cars and have no money for gas
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I read the first page only but I must add:
-I know many places where they always hire immigrants -with other non egyptian passports specially- over Egyptians, and pay them a lot better
-I know many places where they refuse hiring veiled woman, and it's pathetic we fight for veiled women rights in France but it happens here too
-ALL the couples my age, the girl worked before the guy and makes more money, believe me stats dont always prove things
for example, iaquinta is our 2009 top scorer..
and at the end I must also say, Egypt is the country of contradictions, in everything, people own BBs when they have not enough money to eat, and some own cars and have no money for gas
Andy and Fred are correct that in theory since illegal immigrants are indeed illegally in a certain country that they do not share the benefit of that nation's laws.
However, that really does nothing to address the issue. It also doesn't stop international organizations from trying to enforce human rights law, as they would for a refugee or exiled person which exist in an almost similarly exact plight.
Anywho, I think we all know the answer to the immigration issue. And it doesn't include building great walls or mass executions in the California desert.
However, that really does nothing to address the issue. It also doesn't stop international organizations from trying to enforce human rights law, as they would for a refugee or exiled person which exist in an almost similarly exact plight.
Anywho, I think we all know the answer to the immigration issue. And it doesn't include building great walls or mass executions in the California desert.
Anywho, I think we all know the answer to the immigration issue. And it doesn't include building great walls or mass executions in the California desert.