Turk, just curious: What's your opinion about religions other than the Abrahamic trio? Like Hiduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Mormonism, Scientology etc.?
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Egypt: from 2011 demonstrations to today (14 Viewers)
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I have said enough religious discussion in this thread because it goes on and on, we're going off-topic as some here wish so. My opinion about those are no different than any other Muslim's.
Egypt crisis: A national tragedy plays out at Cairo’s stinking mortuary
These horrific scenes represent all sides of Egypt’s ''state of emergency'
They had been cooked. It was the first expression that came to mind – and all too accurately – when I saw the remains of nine of the 34 prisoners who died at the hands of the Egyptian police on Sunday night.
Out on the desert road close to the Abu Zaabal prison, these men – seized in Ramses Square on Saturday after the Cairo police and the army stormed into the al Fath mosque – supposedly tried to overturn the prison van taking them to jail. The state security police fired a tear gas grenade into the vehicle, and all died. And having looked at those awful cadavers in Cairo’s stinking mortuary, I have to say that these poor men – not charged with any crime, unaccused, untried, victims of the glorious 'state of emergency’ with which Egypt is now blessed – died most terribly.
There comes a time when mere descriptions cannot balance the horror of the dead. But lest history forget or treat them with less compassion than they deserve, we must, I fear, confront the reality. The bodies were hideously bloated and they had been burned from head to toe. One man had a laceration at the throat, caused perhaps by a knife or a bullet. A colleague saw five other corpses in a similar state but with bullet holes in the throat. Outside the mortuary, the state-hired thugs of the Egyptian interior ministry tried to frighten journalists away.
A middle-aged man whose friend had lost his son to police gunfire on Wednesday emerged from amid the screaming relatives – some of whom were vomiting on the concrete – and took me to a Sunni imam, immaculate in his red and white turban, who gently led me through two iron doors into the room of death. One of the morticians, Mohamed Doma, stared at the corpses in disbelief. So did the imam. And so did I. After walking past nine of these pitiful creatures – children of Egypt – I could see further corpses in another corridor. All, according to the medical staff, had been brought from Abu Zaabal prison.
Not that they ever reached the jail – which I went to see yesterday – beside a grotty Nile canal fringed by old cement factories 28 miles north of Cairo. The prison walls are high, its gates attached to neo-Pharaonic pillars. According to the police, the 34 prisoners – some reports speak of 36 dead men – rocked the truck when it was part of a police convoy approaching the institution. When it was forced to stop, the prisoners – and this, remember, is the story from the police, who are believed to have killed more than 1000 of their fellow citizens these past few days – grabbed one of the policemen and, in a successful attempt to rescue him, his colleagues fired a tear gas grenade into the truck which was packed with prisoners.
So many 'security force’ stories – like Muslim Brotherhood stories – have been proved untrue over the past few weeks. Another story, from the newly obedient Egyptian press, reports that “terrorists” stopped the convoy and tried to free the prisoners. Since the prisoners all died, we may never know how or why they were slaughtered. Needless to say, the dead had become 'terrorists’ by last night – why else would 'terrorists’ try to free them, if indeed they did? – and, once Egyptians had absorbed the news of the equally awful massacre of Egyptian security men in Sinai, this now became the Abu Zaabal Massacre, to be remembered alongside the Rabaa Massacre, the Nahda Massacre, the Ramses Square massacre and all the other massacres that seem likely to come.
After these ghastly scenes, the statistics of the Egyptian Centre for Economic and Social Research make solemn reading. It says that 1,295 Egyptians were killed between Wednesday morning and Friday, 1,063 on Wednesday alone – including 983 civilians 52 security personnel and 28 bodies found under the platform of the Rabaa mosque. Thirteen policemen and three civilians were killed in an attack on the police station in Kerdasa, 24 civilians in Alexandria, six in Sharqeya, six in Damietta, 13 in Suez, 45 in Fayoum 21 in Beni Suef, 68 in Minya. This is a national rather than a Cairo tragedy. But those bodies in the morgue I suppose, represent all of them.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-out-at-cairos-stinking-mortuary-8775128.html
Egypt crisis: A national tragedy plays out at Cairo’s stinking mortuary
These horrific scenes represent all sides of Egypt’s ''state of emergency'
They had been cooked. It was the first expression that came to mind – and all too accurately – when I saw the remains of nine of the 34 prisoners who died at the hands of the Egyptian police on Sunday night.
Out on the desert road close to the Abu Zaabal prison, these men – seized in Ramses Square on Saturday after the Cairo police and the army stormed into the al Fath mosque – supposedly tried to overturn the prison van taking them to jail. The state security police fired a tear gas grenade into the vehicle, and all died. And having looked at those awful cadavers in Cairo’s stinking mortuary, I have to say that these poor men – not charged with any crime, unaccused, untried, victims of the glorious 'state of emergency’ with which Egypt is now blessed – died most terribly.
There comes a time when mere descriptions cannot balance the horror of the dead. But lest history forget or treat them with less compassion than they deserve, we must, I fear, confront the reality. The bodies were hideously bloated and they had been burned from head to toe. One man had a laceration at the throat, caused perhaps by a knife or a bullet. A colleague saw five other corpses in a similar state but with bullet holes in the throat. Outside the mortuary, the state-hired thugs of the Egyptian interior ministry tried to frighten journalists away.
A middle-aged man whose friend had lost his son to police gunfire on Wednesday emerged from amid the screaming relatives – some of whom were vomiting on the concrete – and took me to a Sunni imam, immaculate in his red and white turban, who gently led me through two iron doors into the room of death. One of the morticians, Mohamed Doma, stared at the corpses in disbelief. So did the imam. And so did I. After walking past nine of these pitiful creatures – children of Egypt – I could see further corpses in another corridor. All, according to the medical staff, had been brought from Abu Zaabal prison.
Not that they ever reached the jail – which I went to see yesterday – beside a grotty Nile canal fringed by old cement factories 28 miles north of Cairo. The prison walls are high, its gates attached to neo-Pharaonic pillars. According to the police, the 34 prisoners – some reports speak of 36 dead men – rocked the truck when it was part of a police convoy approaching the institution. When it was forced to stop, the prisoners – and this, remember, is the story from the police, who are believed to have killed more than 1000 of their fellow citizens these past few days – grabbed one of the policemen and, in a successful attempt to rescue him, his colleagues fired a tear gas grenade into the truck which was packed with prisoners.
So many 'security force’ stories – like Muslim Brotherhood stories – have been proved untrue over the past few weeks. Another story, from the newly obedient Egyptian press, reports that “terrorists” stopped the convoy and tried to free the prisoners. Since the prisoners all died, we may never know how or why they were slaughtered. Needless to say, the dead had become 'terrorists’ by last night – why else would 'terrorists’ try to free them, if indeed they did? – and, once Egyptians had absorbed the news of the equally awful massacre of Egyptian security men in Sinai, this now became the Abu Zaabal Massacre, to be remembered alongside the Rabaa Massacre, the Nahda Massacre, the Ramses Square massacre and all the other massacres that seem likely to come.
After these ghastly scenes, the statistics of the Egyptian Centre for Economic and Social Research make solemn reading. It says that 1,295 Egyptians were killed between Wednesday morning and Friday, 1,063 on Wednesday alone – including 983 civilians 52 security personnel and 28 bodies found under the platform of the Rabaa mosque. Thirteen policemen and three civilians were killed in an attack on the police station in Kerdasa, 24 civilians in Alexandria, six in Sharqeya, six in Damietta, 13 in Suez, 45 in Fayoum 21 in Beni Suef, 68 in Minya. This is a national rather than a Cairo tragedy. But those bodies in the morgue I suppose, represent all of them.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-out-at-cairos-stinking-mortuary-8775128.html
May be that's the case with Turk but with people like my self, Fred, ze.... Etc that's not the case. I couldn't care less what any ones religion is to be frank nor do I treat some one based on it. As swag said many non sense can be fine when you put the religion cloak on it regardless of thus religion even if that religion doesn't preach that.
Back on topic Cairo woke up to great news again after the capture of yet another big fish. I don't mean to judge but a man with principles dies/ captured with the same principles he preaches therefore I find it disgusting the mb were caught either wearing women clothing or dying and shaving there Beard. I wouldn't redirected them had they stuck for what they preach since shaving according to then is unislamic.
Back on topic Cairo woke up to great news again after the capture of yet another big fish. I don't mean to judge but a man with principles dies/ captured with the same principles he preaches therefore I find it disgusting the mb were caught either wearing women clothing or dying and shaving there Beard. I wouldn't redirected them had they stuck for what they preach since shaving according to then is unislamic.
Indeed might be hard to watch for some, don't do it if you're squeamish.
But really whats the point of the video? knowing pepole are getting hurt during this mess? it's a fact that no one can or even tries to deny, seeing dead bodies and pepole shot dosen't serve any purpose other then shocking pepole who watch this.
Only someone extremely naive will change his view on this matter based on a video like this.
@Bisco, I heard that Mubarak is getting released from jail or going to house arrest, What your opinion on that? not sure what was the reason they reduced his sentence
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And I still don't get why they bring thier kids to those protests, If It was me I would keep my child as far away as possible from all this. This part really baffles me
But really whats the point of the video? knowing pepole are getting hurt during this mess? it's a fact that no one can or even tries to deny, seeing dead bodies and pepole shot dosen't serve any purpose other then shocking pepole who watch this.
Only someone extremely naive will change his view on this matter based on a video like this.
@Bisco, I heard that Mubarak is getting released from jail or going to house arrest, What your opinion on that? not sure what was the reason they reduced his sentence
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And I still don't get why they bring thier kids to those protests, If It was me I would keep my child as far away as possible from all this. This part really baffles me
hang in there until I get a Wi-Fi router because using a phone to type is so crap it's getting on my nerves.
The Abrahamic trio? Sounds like the Israeli NT's trident attack of 1974 or a tour of the three great Jewish tenors. 
Man, I have the same reaction as you. I know within an instant of when someone is overtly trying to manipulate me, and it immediately makes me call into question their intentions and authenticity. Call it cynicism, but those tactics backfire on me more than they succeed.
Man, I have the same reaction as you. I know within an instant of when someone is overtly trying to manipulate me, and it immediately makes me call into question their intentions and authenticity. Call it cynicism, but those tactics backfire on me more than they succeed.
