forgot to add another important info. Pepe is leaving 
epedinho:, #7 is free now. it all makes sense now 
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I like this guy. And i rlly hope that he will stay.
So the fact he has 46 goals and counting over his two seasons at PSG means he can't score? 
Look I'm not saying Cavani is a shiit striker, he's good but the way he misses "constantly" those easy chances in front of goals for a player who is considered
one of the top attackers out there is really a joke IMO.There are some serious weakness in his game that's why even during his Napoli days I never thought very high about him, sorry that's just my opinion of the guy.
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To be fair I was all caught up in the hype and didn't know what the $#@! I was talking about
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To be fair I was all caught up in the hype and didn't know what the $#@! I was talking about
But some people are talking as if Dybala is different. So obviously talented that there won't be mistakes. Well, I think it should be noted that Dybala can be a mistake and an expensive one at that.
And he really hasn't proven anything in terms of numbers so instead we're given the buzzwords to be excited about. Obvious talent. Technical. Vision. Works well with his teammates. Etc.
Cheers.
When asked about Cavani, Marotta said: "we like him, but he isn't on the market. If he were..."
Source is tuttojuve.com, they quoted Marotta directly (like they usually do before and/or after big games).
If he said this, we can confirm that Juve probably has real interest in him, but PSG is not willing to negotiate, at least for now.
I think we could go for him only if Tevez leave... but I think none will happen.
Source is tuttojuve.com, they quoted Marotta directly (like they usually do before and/or after big games).
If he said this, we can confirm that Juve probably has real interest in him, but PSG is not willing to negotiate, at least for now.
I think we could go for him only if Tevez leave... but I think none will happen.
that's my point. why would be spend on a 28 year old who's value and worth is decreasing. the guy, although he was good at napoli has won nothing significant and has been 2nd fiddle to zlatan.
after we win the CL this year i want to see more youth, berardi coman zaza rugani dybala and eventually veratti if we get the cash/
after we win the CL this year i want to see more youth, berardi coman zaza rugani dybala and eventually veratti if we get the cash/
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Sorry, the quote function didn't work as usual on this post, but I was able to piece it together.
The point I was making by including Quaresma in the discussion, was that back then I hadn't personally seen much of the player in action when I ranked him as being good; just YouTube. That was a big personal example as to why players shouldn't be ranked from Utube vids. That's why I brought him up.
If I had seen more of him, I would have seen his suspect work ethic, and his tendency to always go for style over substance. He is also hindered by a large ego, and has trouble following directions -- or so it seems to me. In Italy, you have to be productive and tactically adept... which he could not do, not at the level required of him. Hence, 28M - or whatever it was - down the drain.
Also, I can guarantee Dybala will be better than Quaresma, because he already is. You've gotta stop with that
Would you really characterize Marota's bit part at Madrid, mostly playing against tired opposition in games that had already been decided, as particularly significant?
It was an opportunity that Marotta seized despite a limited sample size, because he saw the quality and potential in the player. You can argue that just playing for Madrid is an accomplishment at that age, but the sample size is still small.
I'm going to pretend that the name of Jorge Martinez was not just invoked in a discussion like this. Not relevant.
Also, it was a series of poor decisions that crippled Juventus. Beppe and Co. are not equivalent to Secco and Co.
We can afford to take a risk on a 25-30M player because our team has a great foundation, and is actually quite a bit more balanced than it has been for some time. Because the team now has so much quality, it's going to be very difficult to improve the squad without spending a little more money than we previously have been spending. Quality over quantity, now.
Beppe can't be afraid of spending in this range if he's decided a player has adequate quality, and fits the profile of what he's looking for (young, talented, reasonable wages, etc). The market would be way too thin for the caliber of players we need.
So I'm not worried about the morale of the fans, or whatever you were talking about there. Management will do their assessments, and then they'll act in the manner befitting a responsible, big club, on it's way back up to the top.
With all due respect, you are not my grade 10 philosophy teacher, and those are more than buzzwords. Those are adjectives that describe characteristics that most top players have -- because things like intelligence and hard work, those are almost universally required to turn a good player into a truly great player (there are a few exceptions, but not many).
Those words do get tossed around a lot, but unless you and I are sitting somewhere breaking down video, I'm not going to reference specific situations like, "look at how he anticipates the movement of multiple teammates, how he understands spacing, isn't that impressive," or, "God, Palermo can't create jack shit, but I love how he's dropping all the way back near the center line, to help build the attack." I won't be able to say to you, "wow, look at that amazing close control in traffic," or "did you see the way he instantly controlled that long pass," or, "holy shit, look at that foot speed."
Anyway, I think it’s a bit reductive and self serving to say that those adjectives are nothing but buzzwords. Watch the player, that's the only thing to do here.
After I wrote that, I laughed because of the vague parameters. Ultimately, what I meant is that Juventus -- or whoever the eventual buyer is -- would be very happy with the transaction; they would not lament the money that was spent. If we spend 30M on a player and we're happy we spent the money, then he's a star. Madrid operate in a totally different stratosphere financially, they scrap great players all the time, and I don't want to get into the "world class" discussion, where it gets into defining what that fabricated title means (top 3? 5? 10? International Resume? Etc.).
No. I said nothing of the sort. Nowhere did I remotely indicate that I believed my opinion was infallible -- it is so very far from it. I've been wrong so many times in my life, about all manner of things, but that's not the point.
You have an ideological bent in this conversation -- which is that you do not believe any player with such a limited resume at top level, is worth 30M. You believe that a club in Juventus' financial bracket cannot afford to risk 20M+ on a player with this type of resume (even though Marota hadn't really proven that much at top level -- I know somebody wants to pull his U numbers, or reference his CL title here, but it's not like he was some integral piece at Madrid).
So because you don't trust what I see, and because we can't sit down together and watch a match, I can't really do much here to convince you.
That was my point, I can't argue with you here, because you give me credit for nothing I've seen. I can't prove anything to you, because you have a fairly hard-line ideological stance about what the acceptable parameters for a transfer like this are -- pretty much end of story.
You don't like young, hyped South Americans. I get it I keed.
Btw, was that last part of what I just quoted, that whole ‘sorry not sorry thing,’ was that your inner Valley Girl shining through? Jeez!
Get our of here with the Aguero thing. Seriously, Aguero? Should we talk Messi, instead? How much do you think a young Sergio Aguero would cost, today?
So are you saying the fact that he wasn't setting Italy ablaze as a 20 y/o, in his 2nd year in a new country, speaking a new language, at a new club... that's a good barometer for a player's quality? Really? Yeah, he’s green, I know. Gotta give these guys a chance to settle in though, buddy!
Bud, you have gotta give up this buzz-word crap. Seriously, it’s a cop-out in discussions like this, and a disservice to your argumentation skills
Vazquez is a good player in his own right, and a facilitator. His numbers have been similar, in particular his assists numbers, because Dybala’s 13 goals have effectively replaced Hernandez’s 14 goals. So that’s very similar on the surface.
But how about the fact that Palermo played in Serie B last season? I would say that if you jump up a league, and your numbers stay the same, well – Dybala may play a role in that, my friend.
Seriously, the guy has 10 assists, anyone who has watched him play can see him create for his teammates, and they see his understanding with other intelligent, creative players like Vazquez.
I'd love you to take a moment, and try to actually create an argument that Dybala -- who creates so many chances for others, and has all of those assists on a low scoring team -- does not make those around him better. Buzz words? Puh-lease.
Just continue to watch him play.
Jeez, I didn't say he held the room together. I said he's a young, emerging leader, who his teammates look to as a reference point -- because he is mature beyond the average 21 y/o, and he’s productive like nobody’s business. No, he's not already morphed into Alex Del Piero, but his teammates love him, and actually listen to a 21 y/o – which is impressive to me.
I think for a player of his age, you'll find his work ethic a little more than slightly above average. He understands the game, and is a responsible player. He's not Tevez, he doesn't have the same defensive work rate, but he does support his teammates very well.
I also think that people who talk shit about Alexis Sanchez, probably didn't watch him at Udinese or Barca, because he's been a class player for almost as long as I can remember the guy. I wanted him before he went to Spain, I wanted him before he went to play for a couple of my best mates team in England, and I love him as a player.
So I'll answer this one for you: People who think that Alexis Sanchez isn't a very good player, are morons.
Cheers, bud! It's been fun.
Sorry, the quote function didn't work as usual on this post, but I was able to piece it together.
The point I was making by including Quaresma in the discussion, was that back then I hadn't personally seen much of the player in action when I ranked him as being good; just YouTube. That was a big personal example as to why players shouldn't be ranked from Utube vids. That's why I brought him up.
If I had seen more of him, I would have seen his suspect work ethic, and his tendency to always go for style over substance. He is also hindered by a large ego, and has trouble following directions -- or so it seems to me. In Italy, you have to be productive and tactically adept... which he could not do, not at the level required of him. Hence, 28M - or whatever it was - down the drain.
Also, I can guarantee Dybala will be better than Quaresma, because he already is. You've gotta stop with that
Would you really characterize Marota's bit part at Madrid, mostly playing against tired opposition in games that had already been decided, as particularly significant?
It was an opportunity that Marotta seized despite a limited sample size, because he saw the quality and potential in the player. You can argue that just playing for Madrid is an accomplishment at that age, but the sample size is still small.
I'm going to pretend that the name of Jorge Martinez was not just invoked in a discussion like this. Not relevant.
Also, it was a series of poor decisions that crippled Juventus. Beppe and Co. are not equivalent to Secco and Co.
We can afford to take a risk on a 25-30M player because our team has a great foundation, and is actually quite a bit more balanced than it has been for some time. Because the team now has so much quality, it's going to be very difficult to improve the squad without spending a little more money than we previously have been spending. Quality over quantity, now.
Beppe can't be afraid of spending in this range if he's decided a player has adequate quality, and fits the profile of what he's looking for (young, talented, reasonable wages, etc). The market would be way too thin for the caliber of players we need.
So I'm not worried about the morale of the fans, or whatever you were talking about there. Management will do their assessments, and then they'll act in the manner befitting a responsible, big club, on it's way back up to the top.
With all due respect, you are not my grade 10 philosophy teacher, and those are more than buzzwords.
Those are adjectives that describe characteristics that most top players have -- because things like intelligence and hard work, those are almost universally required to turn a good player into a truly great player (there are a few exceptions, but not many). Those words do get tossed around a lot, but unless you and I are sitting somewhere breaking down video, I'm not going to reference specific situations like, "look at how he anticipates the movement of multiple teammates, how he understands spacing, isn't that impressive," or, "God, Palermo can't create jack shit, but I love how he's dropping all the way back near the center line, to help build the attack." I won't be able to say to you, "wow, look at that amazing close control in traffic," or "did you see the way he instantly controlled that long pass," or, "holy shit, look at that foot speed."
Anyway, I think it’s a bit reductive and self serving to say that those adjectives are nothing but buzzwords. Watch the player, that's the only thing to do here.
After I wrote that, I laughed because of the vague parameters. Ultimately, what I meant is that Juventus -- or whoever the eventual buyer is -- would be very happy with the transaction; they would not lament the money that was spent. If we spend 30M on a player and we're happy we spent the money, then he's a star. Madrid operate in a totally different stratosphere financially, they scrap great players all the time, and I don't want to get into the "world class" discussion, where it gets into defining what that fabricated title means (top 3? 5? 10? International Resume? Etc.).
No. I said nothing of the sort. Nowhere did I remotely indicate that I believed my opinion was infallible -- it is so very far from it. I've been wrong so many times in my life, about all manner of things, but that's not the point.
You have an ideological bent in this conversation -- which is that you do not believe any player with such a limited resume at top level, is worth 30M. You believe that a club in Juventus' financial bracket cannot afford to risk 20M+ on a player with this type of resume (even though Marota hadn't really proven that much at top level -- I know somebody wants to pull his U numbers, or reference his CL title here, but it's not like he was some integral piece at Madrid).
So because you don't trust what I see, and because we can't sit down together and watch a match, I can't really do much here to convince you.
That was my point, I can't argue with you here, because you give me credit for nothing I've seen. I can't prove anything to you, because you have a fairly hard-line ideological stance about what the acceptable parameters for a transfer like this are -- pretty much end of story.
You don't like young, hyped South Americans. I get it
I keed. Btw, was that last part of what I just quoted, that whole ‘sorry not sorry thing,’ was that your inner Valley Girl shining through? Jeez!
Get our of here with the Aguero thing. Seriously, Aguero? Should we talk Messi, instead? How much do you think a young Sergio Aguero would cost, today?
So are you saying the fact that he wasn't setting Italy ablaze as a 20 y/o, in his 2nd year in a new country, speaking a new language, at a new club... that's a good barometer for a player's quality? Really? Yeah, he’s green, I know. Gotta give these guys a chance to settle in though, buddy!
Bud, you have gotta give up this buzz-word crap. Seriously, it’s a cop-out in discussions like this, and a disservice to your argumentation skills
Vazquez is a good player in his own right, and a facilitator. His numbers have been similar, in particular his assists numbers, because Dybala’s 13 goals have effectively replaced Hernandez’s 14 goals. So that’s very similar on the surface.
But how about the fact that Palermo played in Serie B last season? I would say that if you jump up a league, and your numbers stay the same, well – Dybala may play a role in that, my friend.
Seriously, the guy has 10 assists, anyone who has watched him play can see him create for his teammates, and they see his understanding with other intelligent, creative players like Vazquez.
I'd love you to take a moment, and try to actually create an argument that Dybala -- who creates so many chances for others, and has all of those assists on a low scoring team -- does not make those around him better. Buzz words? Puh-lease.
Just continue to watch him play.
Jeez, I didn't say he held the room together. I said he's a young, emerging leader, who his teammates look to as a reference point -- because he is mature beyond the average 21 y/o, and he’s productive like nobody’s business. No, he's not already morphed into Alex Del Piero, but his teammates love him, and actually listen to a 21 y/o – which is impressive to me.
I think for a player of his age, you'll find his work ethic a little more than slightly above average. He understands the game, and is a responsible player. He's not Tevez, he doesn't have the same defensive work rate, but he does support his teammates very well.
I also think that people who talk shit about Alexis Sanchez, probably didn't watch him at Udinese or Barca, because he's been a class player for almost as long as I can remember the guy. I wanted him before he went to Spain, I wanted him before he went to play for a couple of my best mates team in England, and I love him as a player.
So I'll answer this one for you: People who think that Alexis Sanchez isn't a very good player, are morons.
Cheers, bud! It's been fun.
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